AK-74me
"Typical White Person"
Snake oil.
That kind of break through would be on par with light speed travel.
It still takes more power to break the H and O from H2O than burning it can produce.
Gas prices could be as high as $7.00 a gallon ....
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Snake oil.
That kind of break through would be on par with light speed travel.
It still takes more power to break the H and O from H2O than burning it can produce.
AK-74me
"Typical White Person"
blazinlow89
Big Poppa
Cmon $7 a gallon by next year, lets look at why we have high prices right now prince aziz isnt helping by any means, the economy is going to hell and investors are looking for a safe haven which is usually oil, gold, other commodities that take some time to lose value. The fed has lowered interest rates so the value of our dollar is low. Unless the economy keeps going downhill then it will go back to a reasonable level. I also hear these same people say we are in recession, we are close to recession, the recession is over they cant decide what state our eceonomy is in how can they predict prices for such a far period in the future, sounds more like Gore and his global warming cult.
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toppick08
Guest
AK-74me
"Typical White Person"
Drill more domestic oil, build more refineries..........
That is the best option as things stand IMO.
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czygvtwkr
Guest
That and build a few more nuclear power plants, some more wind farms etc.
Plug in hybrids will reduce dependence on gasoline for the daily commute.
We have more coal underground than Saudi has oil, it can be burned cleanly its only a matter of costing more but with oil at the prices it is today I am sure that it is becoming more economical every day.
wildsage
earthling
use less = spend less
If they used solar cells, or waste energy from other sources, to electrolyze the H + O it would help put the net energy balance to the positive. It has to start somewhere, though, and the sooner that H becomes a part of the economy in the small scale, the sooner it will expand to a larger part.
The "good" news (for business as usual, anyway) is that as oil & gas prices increase, it becomes more profitable for the energy companies to extract the fossil-fuel deposits that are deeper, more remote and of less quality.
The downside is that at the rate the world & the US energy-use is increasing, those remaining deposits will provide a shorter reprieve before the crunch gets worse. The downerside is that the new reserves of oil & gas will go to the highest bidder, keeping prices up. Big Oil fully intends to sell any new product they get from currently-protected areas in Alaska to Japan.
True. That plus the lack of infrastructure for distribution & use hamper H power as viable.
If they used solar cells, or waste energy from other sources, to electrolyze the H + O it would help put the net energy balance to the positive. It has to start somewhere, though, and the sooner that H becomes a part of the economy in the small scale, the sooner it will expand to a larger part.
The "good" news (for business as usual, anyway) is that as oil & gas prices increase, it becomes more profitable for the energy companies to extract the fossil-fuel deposits that are deeper, more remote and of less quality.
The downside is that at the rate the world & the US energy-use is increasing, those remaining deposits will provide a shorter reprieve before the crunch gets worse. The downerside is that the new reserves of oil & gas will go to the highest bidder, keeping prices up. Big Oil fully intends to sell any new product they get from currently-protected areas in Alaska to Japan.
AK-74me
"Typical White Person"
I am not saying that Hydrogen will never be a fuel source on a much larger scale than it is now. I am saying that H2O will never be a fuel source, water is a waste product as far as energy goes, much like ash or smoke. There is no such thing as free energy.
Chasey_Lane
Salt Life
I'm glad I booked my Florida airfare a few months ago. Now the cost is running about $200 more than what I paid.My trip to Fla is getting more expensive everyday. It is going to cut into my tinkerbell gifts for myself
SamSpade
Well-Known Member
There's a good article on HowStuffWorks about it. Apparently the science is legitimate, but the problem arises, as suspected, in efficiency. It costs more in energy going IN to the system than it produces, because it doesn't "burn water" but with the assistance of radio waves, the hydrogen is burned off of salt water.
Chain729
CageKicker Extraordinaire
Nuke reactors are coming back. They're looking into building more, the problem is everyone says, "I love nuclear power, but don't put it in my backyard!"
It's not about screwing you up, it's about profit. It's simple economics. If you can sell 10 units for $200 a piece or 100 units for $2 a piece, what would you do?
You're talking a major overhaul of the entire energy infrastructure. We're not talking millions or even billions, we're talking trillions of dollars. It's not economically feasible at this point and it would easily take a decade to revamp the entire system.
Sure, other countries can do it faster and cheaper. But look at the countries you're talking about- they're all developing countries. Building from scratch is always cheaper than re-building an existing network.
Envirowackos. They aren't allowed to build more refineries or drill for oil. Both would work wonders.
They do extract oil from coal, however, it's stupidly in-effiecent aka expensive. It's only recently become profitable to do. They've been preaching doom and gloom about oil for decades. Every time they say we'll run out tomorrow, yet years later we're exactly where we were before. Unless oil stays at the current price and the powers that be are convinced that's the new standard, don't expect these plants to be built. No one is going to spend money to build a factory that won't be profitable next year.
Keep in mind, oil is cyclical. Sometimes they give it away, sometimes they charge an arm and a leg.
See above. We aren't going to run out of oil anytime soon. It's a myth.
Go read up on how the economy works. Once the alternatives prove to be more profitable and that they'll stay that way, economics will take over. It'll happen.
And what makes you think there's enough methane to go around? What makes you think it's profitable? Personally, I'd love to see LNG (liquified natural gas). The infrastructure has a good head start, it's cleaner, more efficient, profitable and we can produce it. In some areas (Utah for instance) they've already started.
Unfortunately, the only car Joe Schmoe can buy that runs on it is a Civic. Of course, that will probably change soon because Honda can't keep up with the demand.
Drill more domestic oil, build more refineries..........
That would be the best option, but it's not gonna happen. Too many retards say "I want cheap oil, but drill here!" There's like 5 people and a polar bear that live in Alaska, I don't know what they're whining about, but they're up in arms none-the-less.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
I have a diesel tractor, and contemplating a diesel car. Thinking a 275 or 500 gallon tank on the property and having home heating oil delivered to at least power the tractor.
How much is home heating oil? $2.35?
And whty should a person that owns a diesel powered car be forced to pay the same taxes on their fuel as a commercial trucker? you aren't making any money on your miles. I think the taxes on a gallon of diesel should be the same as a gallon of gas for personal use vehicles.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
In that case our economy would be booming right now.
Kind of like when it was based on Gold, the higher the price of Gold the better for our economy.
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toppick08
Guest
Add another dollar and quarter to that.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
YIKES!
Still a $1 a gallon cheaper than at the pumps, but holy hell that's high!
They taxing the living bajeebus out of heating oil now too?
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toppick08
Guest
Bob, my bad, I should have clarrified that at the current rise in oil prices, I heard that it might be that high come this winter......I paid $2.59 a gallon for it this past fall/winter.....
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RadioPatrol
Guest
Uninformed .... the problem is 25 different blends of gas for all the different federal and state environmental requirements + no new refineries in 30 yrs ... = outrageous prices ... Oil Companies cannot make enough GAS Fast enough ... thanks to environmental wackos not wanting any new refineries ..
Plus Oil is now traded in the mercantile / commodity exchanges - folks speculating on a rise in Crude Prices .... I heard on WMAL the other morning, Crude Prices are about 65% of the cost of Gas these days ...
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RadioPatrol
Guest
Actually Aquygen pretty much works on the fly ... the inventor was looking for a way to replace Oxy Acetelyne Torches ....
and reevaluated Browns Gas ... Oxyhydrogen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
using a catalyst to speed up the process
it is not straight decomp of water via electrolysis but very similar .... he also made a smaller unit for his Ford Escort.
