Gay activists punish O/D police officer

[bcp]

Why the heck was he talking about gays at somebody's funeral? :huh:

"So now he will rest forever in heaven. You know who's not going to rest in heaven? The gays."

That's basically the only scenario I can come up with.

I dont think being gay and bumping butts is going to keep someone out of heaven if the have faith in Jesus Christ.

I will tell you this though, I dont expect to see to many cross gender restrooms beyond the pearly gates.

 

[bcp]

It was a eulogy delivered at a funeral, if you'd bothered to read the entire article.

I don't give a crap how you feel about gays; there's a time and a place for everything. A funeral is not one of those places. If you want to rail against the so-called evils of homosexuality, a church is one of those places. Get it?

Naw, probably not. Your ignorance is only exceeded by your hatred.

Thank God, now just as soon as you read the article, we can put this to rest and agree that he did nothing wrong.
He delivered his sermon in a Church.
by your standards that is one of the places that it is proper to do so.

 

[BOP]

Originally Posted by BOP View Post
It was a eulogy delivered at a funeral, if you'd bothered to read the entire article.

I don't give a crap how you feel about gays; there's a time and a place for everything. A funeral is not one of those places. If you want to rail against the so-called evils of homosexuality, a regular church service is one of those places. Get it?

Naw, probably not. Your ignorance is only exceeded by your hatred.

:fixed: It's hard to make that come out the way it's intended to come out. Happy now? Thanks for completely missing the point, which is that a funeral is about the recently (hopefully) dearly departed. The cop/pastor was making it all about him and his feelings about gays.

Thank God, now just as soon as you read the article, we can put this to rest and agree that he did nothing wrong.
He delivered his sermon in a Church.
by your standards that is one of the places that it is proper to do so.

 

[bcp]

:fixed: It's hard to make that come out the way it's intended to come out. Happy now? Thanks for completely missing the point, which is that a funeral is about the recently (hopefully) dearly departed. The cop/pastor was making it all about him and his feelings about gays.

I dont agree.
If my death can cause somebody to sit down and hear the words of Christ, then my death had just a bit of meaning.

Anywhere people gather in my name, there is a church.
can you tell me who might have said that?

the funeral, at the church was a perfect place to reiterate Gods word for the benefit of those that might not have heard it, or had forgotten it.

In my opinion, if feelings were hurt, it would be the fault of those entering a church expecting to hear that they were good people, or expecting not hear Gods message.

The Church does not belong to men, it belongs to God, and the Paster/officer said the message came to him from God. I dont doubt that, and the fact that there were people that got that upset about it proves that it might just have been a message that was needed.

remember one thing.
the service is not really for the dead, their fate with God is already set and can not be changed, the service is for the living.

I certainly would not go into a gay bar expecting to hear how wonderful I was because I did not agree with their lifestyle choice, I dont see why they would go to a church looking for acceptance of their lifestyle choice.

 

[Merlin99]

The guy didn't say gay people were an abomination. He said the acts they excersized in were! He may also have those feelings for those who engage in premarital sex. Would the agency come after him if those were the group he chose to speak of? I doubt it.

You haven't quite grasped what I was asking. I wanted to know if he would have been quite as worried about this officers free speech rights if the subject would have been anything but homosexuality.

 

[foodcritic]

This was answered in earlier post!!!!

 

[sommpd]

You haven't quite grasped what I was asking. I wanted to know if he would have been quite as worried about this officers free speech rights if the subject would have been anything but homosexuality.

I got what you're saying, but you are mixing the message. This is about speech condemning what someone does, not who someone is. The sermon wasn't about being a homosexual, it was about homosexual acts!

 

[foodcritic]

already answered that

Merlin this was answered!!

MERLIN You haven't quite grasped what I was asking. I wanted to know if he would have been quite as worried about this officers free speech rights if the subject would have been anything but homosexuality.

This was answered in earlier post!!!!

 

[Bay_Kat]

Yes ....just another gay bashing thread, unless you understand what free speech is. Note that the "reporter" called it a speech but then refers to it as a funeral. Not the same thing.


Police officer sues LAPD and Los Angeles, alleging religious discrimination
While off duty, the sergeant, who also is a pastor, gave a speech in which he called homosexual acts an 'abomination.'


The Los Angeles Police Department engaged in religious discrimination by disciplining an employee for off-duty remarks made about homosexual acts, an LAPD sergeant has alleged in a lawsuit filed against the city and the department.

In a fall 2006 eulogy delivered at a fellow officer's funeral, Sgt. Eric Holyfield, who also is a pastor, said homosexual acts were "sinful" and an "abomination" and would lead to condemnation in hell, or the "lake of fire," if one did not repent, according to a lawsuit he filed June 19 in Los Angeles County Superior Court.

After those comments, LAPD passed him up for promotions and pay raises in retaliation, Holyfield alleges in the suit, saying that he was discriminated against for his religion and that his 1st Amendment rights were violated.

Cmdr. Stuart Maislin, head of LAPD's risk-management office, said the department's ability to control an off-duty officer's speech is a "very gray area." But remarks by officers may raise red flags, particularly when bias is expressed against a group of people, Maislin said.

Police officer sues LAPD and Los Angeles, alleging religious discrimination - Los Angeles Times

Gee, it's a gay thread and who'd would have thunk it, foodcritic started it. I swear you are obsessed with gay people. What is your problem? You obsess over gay people. Get a life. I'm not gay, I'm not bi, but dude, you must be one or the other if you are obsessing over it so much.

 

[foodcritic]

yes

I dont agree.
If my death can cause somebody to sit down and hear the words of Christ, then my death had just a bit of meaning.

Anywhere people gather in my name, there is a church.
can you tell me who might have said that?

the funeral, at the church was a perfect place to reiterate Gods word for the benefit of those that might not have heard it, or had forgotten it.

In my opinion, if feelings were hurt, it would be the fault of those entering a church expecting to hear that they were good people, or expecting not hear Gods message.

The Church does not belong to men, it belongs to God, and the Paster/officer said the message came to him from God. I dont doubt that, and the fact that there were people that got that upset about it proves that it might just have been a message that was needed.

remember one thing.
the service is not really for the dead, their fate with God is already set and can not be changed, the service is for the living.

I certainly would not go into a gay bar expecting to hear how wonderful I was because I did not agree with their lifestyle choice, I dont see why they would go to a church looking for acceptance of their lifestyle choice.

Most people seem to be missing the point...It's all about how the left engages in this massive effort to silence dissent at work, skool etc...

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Your comparison is apples and oranges.

 

[Merlin99]

I got what you're saying, but you are mixing the message. This is about speech condemning what someone does, not who someone is. The sermon wasn't about being a homosexual, it was about homosexual acts!

I didn't think you had since your response didn't have anything to do with the question.

 

[sommpd]

I didn't think you had since your response didn't have anything to do with the question.

Just as your question had nothing to do with the article. The off duty police officers didn't condemn homosexuals, he condemned homosexual acts. Instead of asking a question about the topic at hand, you brought race into it. Of course no police officer has a right to call someone an abomination because of their race. We are public officials and represent our agencies, but are still entitled to our opinions and religious beliefs

 

[Merlin99]

Just as your question had nothing to do with the article. The off duty police officers didn't condemn homosexuals, he condemned homosexual acts. Instead of asking a question about the topic at hand, you brought race into it. Of course no police officer has a right to call someone an abomination because of their race. We are public officials and represent our agencies, but are still entitled to our opinions and religious beliefs

His opening line was about the free speech aspect of the eulogy. What I asked didn't necessarily have to be about race, it could have been gender or motorcycle riders or any other subset of society. I know nothing I say will ever change his mind on the subject of homosexuality so it isn't really worth the time to try, but his views on free speech may be telling to his true mindset.

 

[sommpd]

His opening line was about the free speech aspect of the eulogy. What I asked didn't necessarily have to be about race, it could have been gender or motorcycle riders or any other subset of society. I know nothing I say will ever change his mind on the subject of homosexuality so it isn't really worth the time to try, but his views on free speech may be telling to his true mindset.

Then why make it about such a hot button issue such as race? You did that because you wanted to try and trip him up about his views, but as he said, the two are apples and oranges. Behavior and Genetics are two seperate issues!

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Then why make it about such a hot button issue such as race? You did that because you wanted to try and trip him up about his views, but as he said, the two are apples and oranges. Behavior and Genetics are two seperate issues!

It's a hot button issue, period. Had he shown up and said those remarks about anyone other tham homosexuals, everyone would've pulled out their pitchforks and demanded he be fired. It just shows the hypocrisy of Americans as a whole.

 

[Merlin99]

Then why make it about such a hot button issue such as race? You did that because you wanted to try and trip him up about his views, but as he said, the two are apples and oranges. Behavior and Genetics are two seperate issues!

Because it's an easy 1 to 1 correllation. Why make it so subtle that the point is lost. You keep looking at it as a straight verses homo issue whereas I am asking about a first amendment issue. It is not apples and oranges, it is comparing two different ideas, are both protected free speech or just the ones he agrees with.

Yes ....just another gay bashing thread, unless you understand what free speech is. Note that the "reporter" called it a speech but then refers to it as a funeral. Not the same thing.

 

[sommpd]

Because it's an easy 1 to 1 correllation. Why make it so subtle that the point is lost. You keep looking at it as a straight verses homo issue whereas I am asking about a first amendment issue. It is not apples and oranges, it is comparing two different ideas, are both protected free speech or just the ones he agrees with.

No, I'm not making it straight v. gay. Quite the opposite! I am making it about the act. The act is what the guy was preaching about. What you are missing is someone can be gay, but never act on that. There is no moral question there. The police officer was preaching against somone who engages in sexual contact with somone of the same gender.

You didn't ask the question "what if the guy preached against an act" You made it about someone elses race. That is where the apples and oranges come in. A person can be gay, but choose not to engage in homosexual acts.

You wanted to throw in a clear divisive issue. Of course we as police officers couldn't put someone down for their race. I would hope no police officer has negative feelings about someone of a different race, but I know that can't be possible. However, if someone spoke out against a group based on their race they shouldn't be representing a law enforcement agency!

 

[puggymom]

So what you are saying is that it is OK to condemn someone for their CHOICES, right? Isn't religion a choice?

 

[ImnoMensa]

The officer has free speech. He used it, Now he is suffering the consequences.

Free speech doesnt mean you are free from the consequences of that speech. That point has been made here time and again and still people dont get it.

If you are a police officer or an employee of any other organisation and expect to pass any form of a review board you had best keep your opinions on controversial subjects to yourself.

Do I like that?? NO. but its a fact of life open your yap and someday it might come back to haunt you.