Genesis 15 Abram tells God he's frustrated

seekeroftruth

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Genesis 15:15 After this, the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision:

“Do not be afraid, Abram.
I am your shield,[a]
your very great reward.(b)”

2 But Abram said, “Sovereign Lord, what can you give me since I remain childless and the one who will inherit[c] my estate is Eliezer of Damascus?” 3 And Abram said, “You have given me no children; so a servant in my household will be my heir.”​

Genesis 15:1 Or sovereign
Genesis 15:1 Or shield; / your reward will be very great
Genesis 15:2 The meaning of the Hebrew for this phrase is uncertain.

The easy english commentary has this to say about these verses.

Verse 1 ‘After that’ may mean some time later, rather than immediately. Abram had refused a reward from the King of Sodom. God promised Abram a much greater reward.
Verses 2-3 The Hebrew text here is difficult. A servant could inherit goods if his owner had no children. That was a custom. Such a servant was usually young. His master would adopt him as a son.
We do not know anything about Eliezer. But perhaps he is the same man as Abram’s chief servant in chapter 24. If so, Eliezer was very loyal to his master.​

[I added the link to Eliezer's name in the easy english commentary]

Another commentary puts it this way.

The word of the Lord came to people in the Bible in many different ways. It might come by a personal appearance of God, by an audible voice, by visions or dreams, by the ministry of angels, by the working of the Spirit of God upon the mind, by the making alive of a passage of Scripture to the heart, or by the ministry of a prophet or preacher.

There was a good reason why God said this; Abram had just defeated a much larger army from a confederation of five kings. He had reason to be afraid because an attack of retribution was to be expected.

Abram needed a shield because he expected to be attacked. He needed reward because he had denied himself great reward offered from the king of Sodom.

God told Abram that though he had sacrificed for His sake, he would not be the loser for it. God would more than make up what Abram gave unto the Lord.

God knows how to become the answer to our need. When we need a shield or a reward, He becomes those things for us.​

God told Abram this because he was afraid, and afraid for good reasons. Yet God also gave him a reason to put away his fear. God never tells us do not be afraid without giving us a reason to put away our fear.​

Though certainly Abram appreciated the promise from God, at the same time, there was perhaps a sense in which it sounded empty to Abram. It was as if Abram said, What good is it that You are my shield and reward? The only thing Ive ever wanted with any passion in my life is a son! Where are the descendants You promised me?

It is almost as if Abram meant, Lord, You've given me lots of stuff, and now promise to give me more, and to protect me. But what good is it if I dont have a descendant to give it to? I want the son You promised me!

Eliezer of Damascus was Abrams chief assistant, his right-hand man. He was a good man, but not a son to Abram.

Abrams bold honesty before the Lord is a wonderful example. Instead of holding in his frustration, he brought it before God with an honest heart.

To some degree, this question doubted God. Yet we can discern the difference between a doubt that denies Gods promise and a doubt that desires Gods promise. Abram wanted to believe and looked to God to strengthen his faith.​

I had never considered these verses in this way before. Whenever I read them in the past, I figured God was saying either "Don't be afraid... It's me God" or "Don't be afraid, I'll stand up to my side of the bargain." I never considered the fact that Abram had just taken on 5 kings in the Middle East to save his nephew Lot.

In today's CNN context that would be like going in covertly and rescuing a hostage.


:coffee:
 

cheezgrits

Thought pirate
When you read the whole thing, it's actually a pretty weird story. Just sayin'.


Genesis 15

15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
15:2 And Abram said, LORD God, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?
15:3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
15:4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
15:7 And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.

15:8 And he said, LORD God, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it?
15:9 And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon.
15:10 And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not.
15:11 And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away.
15:12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.
15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not their's, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
15:14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
15:15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

15:17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.
15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
15:19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
15:20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
15:21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgites, and the Jebusites.

Bowel baby, go kill these animals for me, at dark a burning lamp magically appears, he is given the people of the valley, and is promised the land between the rivers, which later in the bible turns out to not really happen. Maybe God just liked messin' with Abraham.

Seeker, hopefully chuckt won't chime with his scholarly opinion, just to me it points out how hard it is to translate and put this book into context.
 
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b23hqb

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Old Abe just couldn't wait, and just couldn't keep his loin cloth buckled up. The result: hooking up with Hagar, Ishmael, Islam, and the rest is current history.
 
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