Glad we dont live in Montgomery County/Sanctuary County USA

[black dog]

Well, we certainly brought out the police haters, “if I may”...

Wrong...... Being police has nothing to do with it......you missed the point Greg.

 

[Yooper]

The flag is backwards on the right arm because the Flag is moving in the breeze hence always moving "Forward"

Agreed; which is why I had no problem with it. But many felt it was disrespectful. Just as a number of folks years and years ago didn't like the flag flying in the same manner on the right side of aircraft tails.

Re: the "backwards" flag, as I noted, folks were equally concerned (maybe not the same group, though I'm sure there was some overlap) that the flag was subdued. Again, I had no issue with it; I felt it more important I not wear a rifle aim point on my arm than wearing the correct colors.

Evident that opinions (as to what constitutes respect/disrespect for the flag) fall across a very wide spectrum.

Cheers!

--- End of line (MCP)

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

There is a VERY long tradition of doing what is objected to in this post. Here's one example from the Civil War:

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Here's another:

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And one more:

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I get that some folks don't like it, but, as I said, there's a long tradition of doing this sort of "decorating."

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These Flag alterations were, 'One overs'. Presentation Flags representing the extreme violence, aggression, destruction and outright chaos of which these unit's fought in and prevailed. Made to commemorate those actions. Similar to streamers of past battles and campaigns placed on a unit's Guidon. Such as a Calvary Squadron Flag Guidon, streamers, which are secured at the ornament receiver below the Army Spear, or Spade. Not the Nation's Flag so altered as to focus, sanctimoniously, and selfishly, on one specific group clamoring for attention not earned. The blue line flag is not a decoration flag. It is used all over, flown in public, made into stickers, for the sole purpose to remind the citizens to "Respect their Authoritah". Used as well as an attempt to change to the perception of the original meaning of, "The thin blue line", in the public's consciousness. When to LEO's, the original meaning will never change, and will always be the standard.

*Sorry. Not one overs, but authorized.
*1863 - Army Regulations, Appendix B, “there shall be inscribed upon the colors or guidons of all regiments and batteries in the service of the United States the names of the battles in which they have borne a meritorious part.” These were to be painted on the guidons.

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

I have several that speak to my cavalry regiments' histories. Similar to this:

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These not only added to the flag, they changed the shape.

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This was the 6th Pennsylvania Cavalry, I Troop, Flag during the Civil War. Well before the standardization of US Flag Code. In addition ...
1863 - Army Regulations, Appendix B, “there shall be inscribed upon the colors or guidons of all regiments and batteries in the service of the United States the names of the battles in which they have borne a meritorious part.” These were to be painted on the guidons.

 

[GregV814]

Wrong...... Being police has nothing to do with it......you missed the point Greg.

The one missing the point of my post was how the county executive threw his officers under the bus, white officers, black officers, Chinese officers, metro-sexual trans officers. I have no concern where it went after that.

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

Well, we certainly brought out the police haters, “if I may”...

Really. Hate the police? Possibly, as an institution, organizationally. State laws granting absolute immunity, etc.. Individually, I know many. All nice. Though, each has a certain, 'air', about them now. One may sense it as an, air of superiority. Of having privy to things we don't. All of them. Even the ones I knew personally before they became a Deputy, or Officer, or Trooper. They all changed. I don't hate them. But I don't trust them now either. Where once things could be spoken about in confidence as friends before them joining, now is very cautioned in what is said. Since, they now have a duty, to inform, or investigate, or and pass on newly discovered associations, and any possible infractions of the law. Not that I break the law, some of my friends might (by smoking weed, or what not). But why chance it? Generalities is the word of the day when speaking with them now. They are not "friends", in the true definition, any more. Similar to when in a squad within a platoon that are all E-4's and below. Everyone is buddy-buddy, bunk together, drink together, visit red-light districts together, fight other unit soldiers at bars together. But once one of them is promoted to E-5, Sargent, an NCO, and becomes their squad leader? That friendship line is broken. No more does that NCO participate such in past shenanigans, with now, his, subordinates. Now all your buddy-buddies are all the other NCO's. That's not to say a Squad Leader can't have good times anymore with his subordinates. Just not like in the past. Because the NCO, now, becomes the 'enforcer' of rules, regulations, the UCMJ, and is held personally responsible for every man, and their actions, in his squad. It is an invisible line that is immediately noticed, taken heed to, and never crossed, when it appears. And civilians never see it, or know when to recognize it. Similarity, but way different, that is why, "The Police", or as they like to be called, "Law Enforcers", are not our friends.

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

Agreed; which is why I had no problem with it. But many felt it was disrespectful. Just as a number of folks years and years ago didn't like the flag flying in the same manner on the right side of aircraft tails.

Re: the "backwards" flag, as I noted, folks were equally concerned (maybe not the same group, though I'm sure there was some overlap) that the flag was subdued. Again, I had no issue with it; I felt it more important I not wear a rifle aim point on my arm than wearing the correct colors.

Evident that opinions (as to what constitutes respect/disrespect for the flag) fall across a very wide spectrum.

Cheers!

--- End of line (MCP)

I never bothered me either, because, well, it was authorized by US Code, and went along with the subduing of rank tabs. Was meant to keep those wearing it from sticking out during battle, or being scoped from and noticed from a distance by the bad guys.

 

[Clem72]

Wrong...... Being police has nothing to do with it......you missed the point Greg.

No, you missed the point. They didn't adulterate an existing flag, they carved from wood a shape similar to the flag that is decorated differently. It's not the US flag, it doesn't break any flag related regulations.

 

[BernieP]

Glad I checked here first before plastering my opinion in a new thread.
Well opinion isn't true, decided to do a little fact checking on who did what.
Lesson Number 1 boys and Girls, the derivation, history and meaning of the term "Thin Blue Line"

The History of the Thin Blue Line
The term "thin blue line" is said to be derived from the "thin red line," and this dates all the way back to 1854. The thin red line was a battle formation assumed by the 93rd Highland Regiment of the British Army against the Russian cavalry at the Battle of Balaclava.

Fast forward 57 years and the thin red line came to America...at least in poetry. Nels Dickmann Anderson wrote "The Thin Blue Line" in 1911, tweaking the color to blue, but he didn't associate it with police officers. It referred to U.S. Army in the poem. They wore blue uniforms at that time.

The modern concept of the thin blue line and its association with police officers is said to trace back to 1966. It was introduced in a documentary that explored the cultural brotherhood of policing.

It's come under attack innumerable times since then, first during the time of tumultuous civil unrest in the 1960s. This was a time when police were called "pigs," and "police brutality" was an accepted circumstance. This feeling carried forward into the 1970s.

A documentary film titled "The Thin Blue Line," directed by Errol Morris, was then released in 1988 to critical acclaim. It was about the murder of a Dallas police officer and the term "thin blue line" was used by the prosecuting attorney at the trial in the depicted closing argument.

Standing Together for the Good of All
Police, like any other profession, have an understanding among each other for what they do and what they go through on a daily basis. If anything, the thin blue line demonstrates support for each another in a tough job. It's not an excuse to violate the high ethical standards that officers are held to, but rather an encouragement to stand on that line together in service of others.

Use of the term became especially widespread following the release of Errol Morris' 1988 documentary film The Thin Blue Line, about the murder of a Dallas Police officer Robert W Wood.[1] Judge Don Metcalfe, who presided over the trial of Randall Adams, states in the film that prosecutor "Doug Mulder's final argument was one I'd never heard before: about the 'thin blue line' of police that separate the public from anarchy." The judge admitted to being deeply moved by the prosecutor's words, though the trial resulted in a wrongful conviction and death sentence.[6]

The term "thin blue line" is not meant to be synonymous with “ blue wall of silence” as some believe.

The United States flag code prohibits alterations and desecration of the flag. Why then are Thin Blue Line flags considered permissible?

Because the US Flag Code was deemed unconstitutional by the SCOTUS. The US Flag Code is not law anymore and no one is bound to follow it. It violated the First Amendment right to expression.

So some people use the Flag Code as a guideline, but most of the US ignores it.

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

Glad I checked here first before plastering my opinion in a new thread.
Well opinion isn't true, decided to do a little fact checking on who did what.
Lesson Number 1 boys and Girls, the derivation, history and meaning of the term "Thin Blue Line"
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Alright there BernieP. Today, as most everyone knows, that blue line, refers to those children wanting renegotiation for just wearing a costume and a shinny badge. Or, the blue line, better known as circling the wagons around an undefendable comrade accused of violations of human indecency towards a fellow citizen. History has absolutely no bearing in this instance. These are those men, and women, who, always fearing for their lives, will kill any family pet, or citizen, on the off chance of a 0.000001% chance there might actually be a danger. They deserve no honor. Especially in the form of altering Our Nation's Flag.

*As if we the people, Patriots, need SCOTUS to tell us what is right. If there is any flag that should be burned in the public square, it is that abomination of the altered United States Flag, with that blue line. Fck that flag. Burn that flag. And what it stands for.

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

No, you missed the point. They didn't adulterate an existing flag, they carved from wood a shape similar to the flag that is decorated differently. It's not the US flag, it doesn't break any flag related regulations.

It doesn't matter. It was a representation of our Nation's Flag. JHFC. What do you not understand? Are you an American, or not? Are you a patriot, or not. Do not fuking forget these fuking assh*le wanna be's trying to recognized for nothings, are your neighbors. They hold no special alien super powers. Their redesigned flag is nothing but an attempt to keep you on their side. To divide and confuse you.

 

[Clem72]

If I may ...


It doesn't matter. It was a representation of our Nation's Flag. JHFC. What do you not understand? Are you an American, or not? Are you a patriot, or not. Do not fuking forget these fuking assh*le wanna be's trying to recognized for nothings, are your neighbors. They hold no special alien super powers. Their redesigned flag is nothing but an attempt to keep you on their side. To divide and confuse you.

I think you have me confused with someone else. In most threads here involving police I am fairly critical of their actions.

I'm also not a moron who can't distinguish between actual disrespect of the US flag and a symbol meant as an homage both to the flag and to principles that the police in this example look to uphold.

And whether or not you believe the police in general or this department in particular uphold their oaths/principles equitably, you should still recognize that they have a right to aspire to do so and to have a symbol that represents this aspiration. Sort of like allowing courthouses to have a statue of Lustitia, regardless of your opinion on how "just" their rulings are.

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

I think you have me confused with someone else. In most threads here involving police I am fairly critical of their actions.

I'm also not a moron who can't distinguish between actual disrespect of the US flag and a symbol meant as an homage both to the flag and to principles that the police in this example look to uphold.

And whether or not you believe the police in general or this department in particular uphold their oaths/principles equitably, you should still recognize that they have a right to aspire to do so and to have a symbol that represents this aspiration. Sort of like allowing courthouses to have a statue of Lustitia, regardless of your opinion on how "just" their rulings are.

My apologizes. My missive was not meant to target you. This is one of those subjects that finger nail down a chalkboard get to me. However, I must respectfully disagree with you on homage and principles you mention. To me, it is a complete lack of respect for the Flag, and this Nation, its history, our history, to be used in this way. Our Nation's Flag is also our Battle Flag leading, in the front, to give those fighting for our nation the strength to continue on. To me, it screams Police State. Is that abomination of a blue line flag the official battle flag of the police? As we the people, citizens, being the enemy? I wonder if the Governor, and the people of this State, would feel the same way if Maryland's State Flag were so altered? They can have a symbol all they want, as long as it is original and unique to them. But I guess having a flag with the image of a boot on a citizen's neck won't fly. As if having hundreds of thousands of police vehicles emblazoned with decals all over the land isn't enough. If seeing them everywhere in the news, or press releases, or propaganda marketing programs disguised as "Shop with a cop" and so forth wasn't enough. They are nothing special. 95% of the time being overpaid security guards. Also, maybe you don't realize, the only rights they have, as deputies, officers, Troopers, are what we the people allow them to have in the performance of their jobs. And Montgomery County, in this instance, has done the right thing by telling them no.

 

[littlelady]

This may be a tad off topic (I live in MoCo, now). Apparently, Hogan is pressuring Elrich, and Elrich is reconsidering not making the county a sanctuary place. Rapes by illegalls, and all. We shall see.