Gruesome crucifixions mark PI Easter ritual.......

[nhboy]

Gruesome crucifixions mark annual Philippines Easter ritual

"SAN PEDRO CUTUD (AFP) - Devout Roman Catholic Ruben Enaje donned a crown of thorns as he put himself through the agonising ordeal of being nailed to a cross -- for the 22nd time.

The 47-year-old decorator was the first of 19 men in this northern Philippines village Friday who underwent the gruesome Easter crucifixion ritual, an extreme form of penance by devotees wanting to thank God for answering their prayers.

On the one occasion he skipped it eight years ago, he said, he was struck down with stomach ulcers and his wife was taken ill.

"It is painful and difficult. But I will continue doing this for as long as I can. This is my pledge to God," the father of four told AFP as he prepared his ceremonial garb at his modest wooden home.

Thousands of tourists braved the tropical heat Friday to flock to this poor farming community about an hour's drive north of Manila to witness the religious rites.

The re-enactment of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ is part of a bloody annual spectacle that shocks outsiders in this devoutly Roman Catholic nation."

AFP.com | Agence France-Presse, a global news agency

 

[mAlice]

You've never seen this?

 

[MMDad]

You've never seen this?

Only the truly ignorant find this to be "news." The article even says the guy was doing it for the 22nd time.

 

[Marie]

Gruesome crucifixions mark annual Philippines Easter ritual

"SAN PEDRO CUTUD (AFP) - Devout Roman Catholic Ruben Enaje donned a crown of thorns as he put himself through the agonising ordeal of being nailed to a cross -- for the 22nd time.

Sounds like a nut case to me that should be instutionalized before he hurts himself.
His freak show designed to get attention, does it include getting flogged and having his skin tore from his body that his organs could fall out? Does it include the full wrath of God being poured out on him. Nooooo
Perhaps he should spend a little more time in his Bible and getting to know God, so he could see how much of an abomination his carnival act real is.

<DIR>Pro 15:8 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD, but the prayer of the upright is acceptable to him.
<DIR>Ecc 1:14 I haue seene all the workes that are done vnder the Sunne, and behold, all is vanitie, and vexation of spirit.
<DIR>1Co 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,
<DIR>1Ti 1:20 among whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.

Blaspheme
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A primitive root; to puncture, literally (to perforate, with more or less violence) or figuratively (to specify, designate, libel): - appoint, blaspheme, bore, curse, express, with holes, name, pierce, strike through.
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[mAlice]

Sounds like a nut case to me that should be instutionalized before he hurts himself.
His freak show designed to get attention, does it include getting flogged and having his skin tore from his body that his organs could fall out? Does it include the full wrath of God being poured out on him. Nooooo
Perhaps he should spend a little more time in his Bible and getting to know God, so he could see how much of an abomination his carnival act real is.

<DIR>Pro 15:8 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD, but the prayer of the upright is acceptable to him.
<DIR>Ecc 1:14 I haue seene all the workes that are done vnder the Sunne, and behold, all is vanitie, and vexation of spirit.
<DIR>1Co 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,
<DIR>1Ti 1:20 among whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.

Blaspheme
H5344
נקב
nâqab
naw-kab'
A primitive root; to puncture, literally (to perforate, with more or less violence) or figuratively (to specify, designate, libel): - appoint, blaspheme, bore, curse, express, with holes, name, pierce, strike through.
</DIR>
</DIR></DIR>
</DIR>

I'm sure they have found scripture to support their actions, just like others find scripture (or just excuses) for wearing a cross or celebrating a pagan holiday and calling it christian. :shrug:

 

[Sonsie]

Oh well, at least they're only injuring themselves. You wanna pound nails into your extremities have at it fruitcake.


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[MMDad]

Sounds like a nut case to me that should be instutionalized before he hurts himself.
His freak show designed to get attention,

Are you equally offended by the live nativity scenes at Christmas? People stand out in the cold for hours, trying to get attention. Oh the blasphemy!

Maybe they are the stronger Christians. Willing to endure agony to show their love of Christ, while you sit there in climate controlled comfort, eating leftovers from your Easter feast.

Their worship is different than yours, so they are wrong. How enlightened of you.

 

[toppick08]

I'm sure they have found scripture to support their actions, just like others find scripture (or just excuses) for wearing a cross or celebrating a pagan holiday and calling it christian. :shrug:

You do know what eternity means, don't you. ??.....

 

[libby]

Are you equally offended by the live nativity scenes at Christmas? People stand out in the cold for hours, trying to get attention. Oh the blasphemy!

Maybe they are the stronger Christians. Willing to endure agony to show their love of Christ, while you sit there in climate controlled comfort, eating leftovers from your Easter feast.

Their worship is different than yours, so they are wrong. How enlightened of you.

While I find the ritual extreme, you make a good point.

 

[Marie]

Are you equally offended by the live nativity scenes at Christmas? People stand out in the cold for hours, trying to get attention. Oh the blasphemy!

Maybe they are the stronger Christians. Willing to endure agony to show their love of Christ, while you sit there in climate controlled comfort, eating leftovers from your Easter feast.

Their worship is different than yours, so they are wrong. How enlightened of you.

No I see a huge difference, the nativity I see as honoring the birth of the Savior.
The other I see cheapening the work on the cross. I have no doubt that is not his intent, but Christ wouldnt sanaction such a thing.
Abusing his body, and it does more harm, than good its down right blasphemous! His cheap impersination does not truely reflect what Christ went through.
Also this doesnt even fall in the realm of what worship is.

But the acceptable way of worshipping the true God is instituted by Himself, and so limited by His own revealed will, that He may not be worshipped according to the imaginations and devices of men, or the suggestions of Satan, under any visible representation, or any other way not prescribed in the holy Scripture.

Prayer, with thanksgiving, being one special part of religious worship, is by God required of all men: and, that it may be accepted, it is to be made in the name of the Son, by the help of His Spirit, according to His will, with understanding, reverence, humility, fervency, faith, love and perseverance; and, if vocal, in a known tongue.

V. The reading of the Scriptures with godly fear, the sound preaching and conscionable hearing of the Word, in obedience unto God, with understanding, faith and reverence, singing of psalms with grace in the heart; as also, the due administration and worthy receiving of the sacraments instituted by Christ, are all parts of the ordinary religious worship of God: beside religious oaths, vows, solemn fastings, and thanksgivings upon special occasions, which are, in their several times and seasons, to be used in an holy and religious manner.

VII. As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He has particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto him: which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week: and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week, which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day, and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.

 

[mAlice]

No I see a huge difference the nativity I see as honoring the birth of the savior.
The other I see cheapening the work on the cross. I have no doubt that is not his intent, but Christ wouldnt sanaction such a thing.
Abusing his body, and it does more harm, than good its down right blasphemous!

 

[libby]

No I see a huge difference, the nativity I see as honoring the birth of the Savior.
The other I see cheapening the work on the cross. I have no doubt that is not his intent, but Christ wouldnt sanaction such a thing.
Abusing his body, and it does more harm, than good its down right blasphemous! His cheap impersination does not truely reflect what Christ went through.
Also this doesnt even fall in the realm of what worship is.

But the acceptable way of worshipping the true God is instituted by Himself, and so limited by His own revealed will, that He may not be worshipped according to the imaginations and devices of men, or the suggestions of Satan, under any visible representation, or any other way not prescribed in the holy Scripture.

Prayer, with thanksgiving, being one special part of religious worship, is by God required of all men: and, that it may be accepted, it is to be made in the name of the Son, by the help of His Spirit, according to His will, with understanding, reverence, humility, fervency, faith, love and perseverance; and, if vocal, in a known tongue.

V. The reading of the Scriptures with godly fear, the sound preaching and conscionable hearing of the Word, in obedience unto God, with understanding, faith and reverence, singing of psalms with grace in the heart; as also, the due administration and worthy receiving of the sacraments instituted by Christ, are all parts of the ordinary religious worship of God: beside religious oaths, vows, solemn fastings, and thanksgivings upon special occasions, which are, in their several times and seasons, to be used in an holy and religious manner.

VII. As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He has particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto him: which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week: and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week, which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day, and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.

Are these quotes from the Baptist Confession and Wycliffe meant to be (and I'll use the vernacular with which I am familiar) infallible doctrines that govern all believers?

 

[itsbob]

No I see a huge difference, the nativity I see as honoring the birth of the Savior.
The other I see cheapening the work on the cross. I have no doubt that is not his intent, but Christ wouldnt sanaction such a thing.
Abusing his body, and it does more harm, than good its down right blasphemous! His cheap impersination does not truely reflect what Christ went through.
Also this doesnt even fall in the realm of what worship is.

But the acceptable way of worshipping the true God is instituted by Himself, and so limited by His own revealed will, that He may not be worshipped according to the imaginations and devices of men, or the suggestions of Satan, under any visible representation, or any other way not prescribed in the holy Scripture.

Prayer, with thanksgiving, being one special part of religious worship, is by God required of all men: and, that it may be accepted, it is to be made in the name of the Son, by the help of His Spirit, according to His will, with understanding, reverence, humility, fervency, faith, love and perseverance; and, if vocal, in a known tongue.

V. The reading of the Scriptures with godly fear, the sound preaching and conscionable hearing of the Word, in obedience unto God, with understanding, faith and reverence, singing of psalms with grace in the heart; as also, the due administration and worthy receiving of the sacraments instituted by Christ, are all parts of the ordinary religious worship of God: beside religious oaths, vows, solemn fastings, and thanksgivings upon special occasions, which are, in their several times and seasons, to be used in an holy and religious manner.

VII. As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He has particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto him: which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week: and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week, which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day, and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.

blah blah blah.. they aren't like me..


blah blah blah.. they don't pray like me.. blah blah blah..

HEATHENS!!

 

[MMDad]

I have no doubt that is not his intent, but Christ wouldnt sanaction such a thing.

Surely you have scripture to back up a claim for that, right? Not man's interpretation, but actual scripture?

Something that says that you can wear a cross, but not be nailed to one?

 

[toppick08]

Surely you have scripture to back up a claim for that, right? Not man's interpretation, but actual scripture?

Something that says that you can wear a cross, but not be nailed to one?

Luke 9:23

And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

 

[MMDad]

Luke 9:23

And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

So all Christians should be toting around full size crosses, or they aren't really faithful. Interesting. I'm kind of surprised that the Christian population of the US is so large, yet the only place I've ever seen a man take up a cross is in the Phillipines. You'd think there would be some Christians around here somewhere.

 

[toppick08]

So all Christians should be toting around full size crosses, or they aren't really faithful. Interesting. I'm kind of surprised that the Christian population of the US is so large, yet the only place I've ever seen a man take up a cross is in the Phillipines. You'd think there would be some Christians around here somewhere.

Are you being sarcastic ?

 

[2ndAmendment]

Surely you have scripture to back up a claim for that, right? Not man's interpretation, but actual scripture?

Something that says that you can wear a cross, but not be nailed to one?

How about this one?

John 19:28-30

28After this, Jesus, knowing that all things had already been accomplished, to fulfill the Scripture, said, "I am thirsty."

29A jar full of sour wine was standing there; so they put a sponge full of the sour wine upon a branch of hyssop and brought it up to His mouth.

30Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.

Jesus did it all. There is no need for any other person to hang on a cross. To do so implies that what Jesus did was not enough. That is not true.

Some Christians wear crosses. I do. I do it not to glorify an implement of torture and death but as a remembrance of what Jesus did for me, for all mankind. The early Christian symbol was the sign of a fish; fishers of men. Some Christians wear the fish symbol; some put it on their vehicles.

If someone in the Philippines wants to be nailed to a cross, that is up to them, but it does nothing because the act of sacrifice for salvation was finished on the cross of Jesus over 2000 years ago.

 

[MMDad]

How about this one?

My question was "Something that says that you can wear a cross, but not be nailed to one?"

 

[2ndAmendment]

My question was "Something that says that you can wear a cross, but not be nailed to one?"

It is finished. So am I with this. I believe that no matter what was proffered, it would not satisfy you.