Gun Confiscations Underway

[itsbob]

If, if, if, if...

You've gone all in to defend something that you don't know anything about - solely because you saw the word "gun".

We don't know the person's name because Gilligan is smart enough to know that other posters on here are smart enough to put that name in the Maryland Judiciary Case Search. Gilligan's not answering questions - instead, he's attacking people who are asking legitimate questions.

If this was any other issue, you guys would be questioning the story. But you don't like gun laws so you instantly believe anything no matter how untrue it likely is.

I assume he'he's not disclosing the name the same that I wouldn't if it were a friend or family member..

 

[mamatutu]

I thought medical records are private, or at least, they used to be. I believe Obamacare is just a cover to find out as much about Americans as possible, as through med records. It is a tool for control. I am not saying that happened here, but we shall see. It will be fascinating to find out more details from Gilligan.

 

[LibertyBeacon]

From a friend of mine..this just in:



WTF???

Get back to us when there's a legitimate news outlet covering this.

 

[Hank]

I thought medical records are private, or at least, they used to be. I believe Obamacare is just a cover to find out as much about Americans as possible, as through med records. It is a tool for control. I am not saying that happened here, but we shall see. It will be fascinating to find out more details from Gilligan.

The voices in your head are from a microchip implanted by ObamaCare. We must rise! Rise robots rise!

 

[mamatutu]

The voices in your head are from a microchip implanted by ObamaCare. We must rise! Rise robots rise!

 

[GURPS]

Depression alone isn't reason enough to take guns away - but I'll keep record of these posts when the NRA demands mental health registries.

ya wanna bet Skippy

Depression = get put on anti depressant - get flagged if you have a registered weapon
or did you miss all the debates last yr on the annapolis bill


Patient prescription drug records may be used to deny Americans their constitutional rights

No Guns for Folks On Anti-Depressants? - THR

 

[GURPS]

Didn't they raid some dude's house in La Plata a few years ago for buying "too much" ammo at the Wal-Mart?

yes . sorta of .... he bought ammo in a caliber he did not have a weapon registered for ... and someones wife / husband relative had previous problems with the law ... it sounded like some LEO jumped the gun, and assumed the husband was buying ammo for the criminal relative


although no details were released by the police about why the raid took place

other than the Husband posting on a Forum, that was then repeated on numerous others

SWAT team raid due to ammo log

Hello Henry.

I just wanted your organization to know what Our State Police are up too. The incident below happened to me, a legal gun owner in La Plata, Maryland two nights ago (August 4, 2008 at 12:30 PM). Next time, they won't get in without a warrant. You live and you learn. Below, is the e-mail I sent to Mr. Chris Contee NRA, Chief Counsel at his request. I know I'm not an isolated incident so I hope your members keep their doors locked.

Dear Chris,

It was great to speak with you today by phone. Sorry but also glad you are so busy with our legislative matters. What would we do without you and the NRA?

As I told you by phone, my Wife and I were unfairly besieged late last night by the Maryland State Police. I have also relayed this occurrence to "Citizens Group for the right to keep and bear arms". I believe they are in Seattle Washington. Enclosed is my summation for your review. Good luck on your trip and safe travel.

Last night at 12:30 pm a MD State Police "Armed Response Team" showed up at our door. I was dead asleep, my Wife was laying some ceramic tile on our basement floor when our driveway alert went off several times. She looked at the camera monitor and screamed that Police in Assault gear were running up to our front door. That made me sit straight up from a dead sleep.

We thought they were there for my Brother in Law who had just been mailed Bench Warrants to our home, but he doesn't live here and he is already incarcerated, so my Wife opened the door for them. Then I heard one of them say he had some papers for me or needed to speak with me,so I got up to speak with them 6 or 7 officers in full assault vests, etc. and NO ONE in uniform. Four heavily armed police came into the house while at least two others walked around outside of our home.

One, began to talk to me asking me about the types of weapons I own. Remember now, I was just startled from a dead sleep and I kept asking why are you here, why do you want to know about my guns? Every gun I bought in Maryland I bought from a MD Dealer. Well this Trooper said that I had purchased a "large amount" of ammunition recently and wanted to know why. When I questioned why he was asking, then he changed his tune to what type of Handguns I had. I told him I just purchased my first handgun in Maryland last week, but had not even picked it up from the Store . He questioned me about other handguns I might own and I realized that he was "fishing" to match his list of my ammunition purchases with handguns that I owned. Then I told him about my C&R license that I had purchased 2 with that but was not required to register them with ST. Police. Moreover, I told him it was the MD. ST. Police who approved me as a "designated collector" so why are they here in storm trooper fashion at 12:30 pm maybe to kill me because I legally bought some handgun ammo? He told me that most of the ammo I purchased was for weapons that they had no record of me having registered so the "SYSTEM" Flagged me. Flagged me for what? Death, Harassment at midnight by 7 Storm Troopers?

I asked, "... does your system know that it is stupid to buy ammo with your own ID if your are going to do something illegal, Does your system know that I have a C&R and can buy weapons of various calibers without your knowledge, Does your system know that you yourselves registered me as a designated collector, who "collects" so it is not unusual for me to buy any type or manner of ammunition and finally, Does your system know that it is NOT illegal to purchase handgun ammunition in the State of Maryland whether or not you own that caliber handgun?"

The Trooper (plain clothes), had a list of ammo calibers that he referred to and I agreed, there's no secret that I bought the ammo, but so what? And I'm still not sure of the States definition of a "large amount". Look, I'm not outfitting a Militia, hate group, or giving it to someone who can't buy it, or even buy ammo for a stolen weapon I don't want to register. Any weapon I have every owned has either been purchased at a Gun Store or I personally knew the individual I bought it from and its origin. And, last time I looked it is not illegal to buy handgun ammo, even if you don't own the caliber weapon OR you don't own a weapon at all !! So unless the law is changed, Police cannot harass people who do so.

That being said, the young Trooper told me I "should" voluntarily register all my weapons or this would happen again... because the "system" flagged me. And another thing, he kept asking where I kept my weapons, in a safe? I never answered him and he asked me three separate times as to the locations of any weapons I might have. I got the distinct impression he wanted me to voluntarily let him see/inspect the handguns for the calibers I bought ammo for, but I was ready for that. No warrant, no see. I mean, I would hope you could trust the Police, but why should I let six or seven or so strangers know where I keep guns? If indeed I had the calibers he was inquiring about?

The point here though, is that Police came to my home without a warrant, dressed to kill, trying to intimidate me about something that is NOT illegal !! This was not an Interview it was an interrogation under duress.

Funny the last thing he said to me before leaving was "... Mr. Curtis, sorry to have HARASSED you, you have a good night." Now that struck me as an odd thing for a Police Officer to say, especially if he was justified in doing his job. The last thing I'll say was that Trooper was courteous and having worn the badge, he and the team were sent by someone else, they're just following orders. However, whoever sent them to my home at 12:30 at night left a very bad taste in my mouth and NO ONE IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES TO ME NOR DO I KNOW THEIR NAMES. But rest assured they WERE the Maryland State Police. Word has it that there is a Special "Firearms" squad within the State Police and they have been asking gun dealers to keep a log of people who purchase handgun and other regulated weapon ammunition by making them show ID and signing their name when purchasing ammunition (not required under Maryland Law). Their MVA / DMV information is put in the log by the FFL Dealer right beside the ammunition you buy. Then once a week they (Police) come back to the stores pick up the logs of ammunition purchases and as in my case, they are comparing handgun ammunition purchases against known handgun registration files. This practice was first started by the Howard County or Baltimore City Police (I believe), and the MD State Police adopted this tactic as well. Perhaps it works, some criminals are stupid enough to purchase ammunition with their own ID. I am not a criminal nor am I stupid, but I was duped into signing those ammunition logs, without the FFL Dealer advising me that it is NOT mandatory or disclosing the log's true purpose.In fact I was told that if 'you' refuse to sign this ammunition log, the Dealer will refuse the sale. I will NEVER buy ammunition from that Dealer again.

We've contemplated moving back to VA or even go down to Florida for a while. But that was yesterday. Now there is nothing that will hold us back from moving back to a "Free State". Or at least a State where subversive tactics are not practiced by the Police.

FYI: I have been in contact with Attorney Chris Contee, NRA Legal Council and He/NRA is very interested in this case. Hopefully this Tactic can be publicized, excised and stopped.

Sincerely

Don Curtis

-t

 

[itsrequired]

And I thought it had to go before a judge. :shrug:

It does. This story seems to be lacking a LOT of details.

 

[Merlin99]

Get back to us when there's a legitimate news outlet covering this.

Gilligans got better established credentials here than any news service.

 

[itsrequired]

So smart ass you tell me how this is going to "fix" anything. Show me how this person fits into the profile of the liberal mass shooters we've had in the past?

Politicians are abusing the law to eradicate our rights and morons like you think it's funny..

Do you not find it odd that this hasn't been in the press? I mean, we are a pretty conservative 2nd amdendment supporting group here in Southern Maryland. Do you not think if this was wrong the Smnews net or Baynet wouldn't be all over this?

Does it not strike you odd that there is no other information?

Why would you defend something so vigorously with such little information?

 

[Gilligan]

you're lying .

Yeah, that's it. You got me there.

 

[Gilligan]

Get back to us when there's a legitimate news outlet covering this.

What if none do? Then its like the tree falling the forest, right? Never happened.

 

[itsrequired]

I thought medical records are private, or at least, they used to be. I believe Obamacare is just a cover to find out as much about Americans as possible, as through med records. It is a tool for control. I am not saying that happened here, but we shall see. It will be fascinating to find out more details from Gilligan.

They are. They are protected and law enforcement can't get medical records without a search warrant.

 

[GURPS]

Do you not think if this was wrong the Smnews net or Baynet wouldn't be all over this?

neither was the La Plata 08 Raid

 

[itsrequired]

Gilligans got better established credentials here than any news service.

I think any news service would print details so that the story could be verified.

Someone please explain to me how law enforcement found out this guy was diagnosed with depression? Unless he was committed to the hospital for an emergency evealuation, law enforcement has no method of randomly searching those records.

If you look at this story logically you will see something doesn't fit.

 

[Retrodeb54]

Maybe it did. No details yet.

There has to be a lot more to this story.

Has to be much more to it.

Stories like this are all about the details. Without those we have no choice but to fill in the blanks ourselves. With our guesses, imaginations and conspiracy theory brains.

So far its Obamacare at fault and the men dressed in black that are after all gun owners. *sigh*

 

[Gilligan]

As far as I know, the only mental health information the MSP Licensing people have routine access too is:

1. Someone has been ruled NCR or IST

2. Someone has been committed to, or voluntarily entered, a mental health facility for 30 or more consecutive days.

 

[GURPS]

They are. They are protected and law enforcement can't get medical records without a search warrant.

Someone please explain to me how law enforcement found out this guy was diagnosed with depression? Unless he was committed to the hospital for an emergency evealuation, law enforcement has no method of randomly searching those records.

I am going to throw a flag on that play ...
... you make Health Care Professionals do the dirty work for you

Maryland Task Force Recommendations Could Take Guns from Mentally Ill

As part of a re-examination of Maryland state laws on firearms and the mentally ill, a task force has recommended that the state should require mental health professionals to contact police if an individual seems dangerous. The policy, if it becomes law, could lead to new gun seizures.​

As part of a re-examination of Maryland state laws on firearms and the mentally ill, a task force has recommended that the state should require mental health professionals to contact police if an individual seems dangerous. The policy, if it becomes law, could lead to new gun seizures.

In the wake of last year’s mass shootings in Newtown, Conn. and Aurora, Colo., states across the country are considering bills to reduce gun violence. Legislators’ solutions range from requiring background checks for private gun sales to taxing bullets.

Maryland is one of 38 states that either require or authorize the reporting of some mental health information to a database for firearm purchase background checks. Only California has a law mandating psychotherapists to communicate with police about potentially dangerous patients who might also own guns.

Unlike the California law, the Maryland task force recommendation includes a broader swath of health care professionals, including psychologists, psychiatrists, physicians, social workers, addiction treatment counselors, educators, case managers and probation agents.

so yes, your statement is factually correct, you know damn well, regulations have forced Doctors to do the dirty work for you, avoiding the perception of a witch hunt .....

 

[itsrequired]

neither was the La Plata 08 Raid

Oh, you mean the letter from Don Curtis who in 2008 was convicted of possession with intent to distribute? Yea, I'm sure his letter forgot to include that little ditty. This is why you shouldn't always believe what a suspect writes.

(The conviction is public record)

See how easy it is to verify bulls*t when you have all the information?

 

[itsrequired]

I am going to throw a flag on that play ...
... you make Health Care Professionals do the dirty work for you





so yes, your statement is factually correct, you know damn well, regulations have forced Doctors to do the dirty work for you, avoiding the perception of a witch hunt .....

I would like to point out that there is a significant difference between regulations, laws and recommendations. In this report, there are recommendations which would not supercede the law.