H1B Visa Drama [ IS Over - Elon Surrenders ]

[Gilligan]

We HAVE become a culture that rewards mediocrity.

See?...I told you I was ahead of the curve on that....

 

[stgislander]

See?...I told you I was ahead of the curve on that....

And you're not even a hill monkey.

 

[SamSpade]

Well it does start before college. Look at SMC's latest math and reading proficiency scores. Educators get excited if students break 25% in math. We HAVE become a culture that rewards mediocrity.

Oh and I agree again - but he is trying to claim our CULTURE is the problem - that our CULTURE so discourages academic achievement that THAT is why our schools do so poorly - the students are making THEMSELVES stupid.

And I disagree - our schools have dumbed things down so yeah, they cream themselves with 25% math achievement - it was not ALWAYS THIS WAY.

Today, you can't even suspend a kid much less expel them. Well you can - maybe. It's just that the schools lack any ability to keep order in their classes. And we spend enormous amounts of money - on administration - and not enough on teachers. SOMEHOW the state manages to spend WAY MORE than private schools do per pupil - and produces far worse results.

 

[stgislander]

Oh and I agree again - but he is trying to claim our CULTURE is the problem - that our CULTURE so discourages academic achievement that THAT is why our schools do so poorly - the students are making THEMSELVES stupid.

And I disagree - our schools have dumbed things down so yeah, they cream themselves with 25% math achievement - it was not ALWAYS THIS WAY.

Today, you can't even suspend a kid much less expel them. Well you can - maybe. It's just that the schools lack any ability to keep order in their classes. And we spend enormous amounts of money - on administration - and not enough on teachers. SOMEHOW the state manages to spend WAY MORE than private schools do per pupil - and produces far worse results.

I don't care what caused what or what came first. All I know is sh!tty education systems + culture that discourages academic achievement = importing foreigners for STEM jobs.

 

[Gilligan]

I don't care what caused what or what came first. All I know is sh!tty education systems + culture that discourages academic achievement = importing foreigners for STEM jobs.

And I disagree - our schools have dumbed things down so yeah, they cream themselves with 25% math achievement - it was not ALWAYS THIS WAY.

Today, you can't even suspend a kid much less expel them. Well you can - maybe. It's just that the schools lack any ability to keep order in their classes. And we spend enormous amounts of money - on administration - and not enough on teachers. SOMEHOW the state manages to spend WAY MORE than private schools do per pupil - and produces far worse results.

Excel at school...hell..even just attend regularly...and you are immediately ostracized in the majority of the black world as "acting white". Fact.

 

[SamSpade]

I don't care what caused what or what came first. All I know is sh!tty education systems + culture that discourages academic achievement = importing foreigners for STEM jobs.

Been doing a bit of reading on some of this -

There's a LOT of fraud and blatant lying on the STEM job side - H1B and otherwise. You may have seen this yourself - a foreign employee who is clearly NOT the whiz they were touted to be.

But I do know ONE reason - it's obscenely EXPENSIVE to get in these programs - for AMERICANS.
And I know another - it's a LOT CHEAPER to *hire* foreign STEM employees.

 

[Hijinx]

Culture is a big part of it. Trophy's for everyone, liberal teachers, report cards, no cursive, no multiplication tables, letting kids use calculators in school, spelling doesn't matter any more.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

All of a sudden we are worried about H-1 Visa's Like they just started existing because Trump was elected.
Where were these complaining mother truckers for the last 4 years. The Dems had plenty of time to fix it if it is broken, but they were too busy haunting Trump with BS lawfare .
If Musk used H-1 so what? It's like the loopholes that are in the tax laws. Why bitch about someone using them? Don't we all use them. If there is a problem you Congressional dipshts make the rules, Fix it.

It seems high priced employees in high paying jobs are the ones complaining, they didn't complain when millions of illegals took the jobs of low income workers. They were all for it.

I see it more as holding your side accountable, expect those *******s to do it, don't expect the side I mostly agree with to do it.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

We had a few H1B hires over the last 30+ years of operations. They were needed because they had very specialized maritime industry skills and experience not available from anyone in the US at the time. It was freaking expensive to go through the process of hiring them too!....I don't recall how much exactly but I do recall it was a big chunk and a significant factor in deciding to go ahead with a hire like that.

That is what they were supposed to be for, not because they are cheaper or will put up with more crap.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

I'd prefer to think Vivek is saying our college/university education system is f'ed. We're handing out loan money like candy for BS degrees that will never pay back on the investment. Want more American engineers, give the loans to STEM degrees?

Half the engineers that get degrees now should not have gotten a degree in my opinion.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Been doing a bit of reading on some of this -

There's a LOT of fraud and blatant lying on the STEM job side - H1B and otherwise. You may have seen this yourself - a foreign employee who is clearly NOT the whiz they were touted to be.

But I do know ONE reason - it's obscenely EXPENSIVE to get in these programs - for AMERICANS.
And I know another - it's a LOT CHEAPER to *hire* foreign STEM employees.

I have a friend that works for the company that administers the Fundaments of Engineering exam, she told me that the tests from middle eastern and Asian countries were obviously tampered with almost every year before they received them to run through the scantron machine. Envelopes that were supposed to have a tamper proof seal were "tampered" with etc.

 

[GURPS]

And I disagree - our schools have dumbed things down so yeah, they cream themselves with 25% math achievement - it was not ALWAYS THIS WAY.

This is the Legacy of Progressive Education ... FOR INCLUSIVITY

Progressives cannot have Black's being held back for academic reasons, that's racist


College Students CANNOT PASS 8th grade exams from the late 1800's

 

[GURPS]

I don't care what caused what or what came first. All I know is sh!tty education systems + culture that discourages academic achievement = importing foreigners for STEM jobs.

Meh .... Nerds have ALWAYS been picked on for being smarter

my country cousins living in Rural PA used to tell me

Stop Using 10 Cent Words

and one of his ******* friends loved calling me a City Slicker ...

I was 13 and I read A LOT OF BOOKS ....

 

[GURPS]

The MAGA civil war is over, the rebel general has surrendered. This morning, NDTV ran the story headlined, “Elon Musk Says H-1B Visa System "Broken", Days After "Will Go To War" Promise.”



You are already familiar, I’m sure, with last week’s fiery dispute over H1-B temporary work visas for skilled immigrants. Taking all comers, Elon and Vivek Ramaswamy rhetorically grappled with a horde of furious conservatives for whom the H1-B is a trigger issue. In particular, conservatives complained of that visa’s misuse in replacing American workers with lower-paid foreigners.

Late Saturday, Elon quietly surrendered.

Specifically, Elon tweeted his agreement with two big changes —a salary cap and a pay-to-play fee— and called the H1-B system “broken” and needing major reform:




He did not surrender, exactly, so much as prove his bona fides by cutting the heart out of all the good-faith complaints. After days of argument, the anti-visa grievances boiled down to two issues: H1-B overuse, by hiring unskilled H1-B workers like cashiers and dishwashers, and unfairly underpaying aliens, thereby displacing qualified Americans with cheaper foreign talent.

Elon’s proposals would neatly fix both problems. Setting a minimum salary would ensure foreign workers were never hired for lower-skilled jobs like dishwashers and cashiers. Imposing an annual fee on employers would increase costs of H1-B visas, without paying foreign workers more and attracting even more of them.

Elon’s agreement that the program is “broken” was a major concession miles from where he started, and it effectively ended the argument.

As a happy side-effect of the widely-publicized “MAGA civil war,” disappointed corporate media is no longer yammering about “President Elon.” Since Elon and Vivek fought their brief but intense war with Trump insiders like Laura Loomer, the fake media narrative of Elon Musk getting whatever he wants has been shattered.

I’m not saying this unnecessary, overheated “civil war” was deliberately staged to change the narrative in that exact way, but it is fun to muse about.

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[GURPS]

Elon Musk’s Christmas H1B Meltdown​