H1B Visa Drama [ IS Over - Elon Surrenders ]

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So the situation seems to be with the drive for more diversity qualified white male engineers are pushed aside ... over less qualified Blacks and Women and when a business cannot find enough ' American ' Talent the Go H1B route hiring Indians ... also cheaper as H1B's are paid ' slave wages ' for the Tech Area the live in .... but a HUGE upgrade over wages in India

Once an H1B Indian gets in a position they hire MORE H1B Indians ....

Also these H1B Hires are routinely LESS EDUCATED OR TALENT OR SKILLED

 

[Monello]

Like every government (Fed & state) program I've ever heard of, they get corrupted and used in ways that were unintended in their design. Maybe the only 1 with no bad press is the VA mortgage guarantee program.

And if there is a loophole, folks will find it and exploit the crap out of it.

 

[Clem72]

It would be one thing if H1B's were used to bring in "the best", to make us better. While that may have been the intent, anyone who has worked in the tech industry knows H1B's are abused to bring in mid-talent engineers into glutted industries to work the jobs that most others wont (due to work/life balance). Yes, they make "prevailing wage", but they may work 2x-3x the hours putting at least two americans out of work.

And the funniest part, the "BEST" don't need it. They can stay where they are and work remotely, or they can get an O1 visa if they are temporary (like H1's) or an EB1 or STEM Pathways Visa if they want to immigrate.

H1B's only serve to drive down costs for tech companies, and surprise surprise both Vivek and Elon are among those interested in this work force.

 

[GURPS]

MAGA Shocked That The Techbros Are Globalists​

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Queue up the Sargon Video while you cook dinner tonight and have a listen ...
Carl does a great job laying it all out .... Lions vs Foxes [ Jocks vs Nerds ]

Instagram whores and Kardashian ARE NOT THE WORLD ....

and If India is pushing out people who are so smart / intelligent
Why aren't these people FIXING their own crap hole country

India really isn't a crap hole(relatively), what it is is deeply segregated into classes.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

It would be one thing if H1B's were used to bring in "the best", to make us better. While that may have been the intent, anyone who has worked in the tech industry knows H1B's are abused to bring in mid-talent engineers into glutted industries to work the jobs that most others wont (due to work/life balance). Yes, they make "prevailing wage", but they may work 2x-3x the hours putting at least two americans out of work.

And the funniest part, the "BEST" don't need it. They can stay where they are and work remotely, or they can get an O1 visa if they are temporary (like H1's) or an EB1 or STEM Pathways Visa if they want to immigrate.

H1B's only serve to drive down costs for tech companies, and surprise surprise both Vivek and Elon are among those interested in this work force.

H1Bs are also worked like dogs because that's the way it is in their home country. The sponsor can then threaten to send them back if they ask for more money or look around for another position. They are more or less the modern day slave (in the US).

 

[22AcaciaAve]

H1Bs are also worked like dogs because that's the way it is in their home country. The sponsor can then threaten to send them back if they ask for more money or look around for another position. They are more or less the modern day slave (in the US).

I think you are probably right about that. That's why Uncle Elon loves them. He loves workers that he can enslave and control. He wants them all to sleep in his plants. Of course he would be willing to 'go to war' to keep them. It's how he is successful running his Tesla and SpaceX operations here.

 

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India really isn't a crap hole(relatively), what it is is deeply segregated into classes.

When you ' culture / country ' is described as having a ' rapey ' feeling ... there are systemic issues

 

[GURPS]

They are more or less the modern day slave (in the US).

I think I mentioned this elsewhere ... but yeah working for ' slave ' wages considering where they live .... like Redmond Wash or Silicon Valley

 

[stgislander]

I can't figure out where the lines are drawn. All H1B good or bad? Generally good, but abused? Good for tech, bad for low skill?

 

[Hijinx]

IMO H1b is a good program that has been abused. Keep the program and clean up the abuse.

What the new holocaust in the news about H1b is , is a chink they found in the MAGA armor and they are using it to attack Trump and his friendship with Musk.. H1b is an important issue to a few people, but it's small potato's compared to the bigger issues of immigration a balanced budget, our National debt, crime , The cleansing of the justice Department , the FBI and the CIA, and progress in America's racial problems.

The media is using this as a bludgeon against Donald Trump.

 

[GURPS]

The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born & first-generation engineers over “native” Americans isn’t because of an innate American IQ deficit (a lazy & wrong explanation). A key part of it comes down to the c-word: culture. Tough questions demand tough answers & if we’re really serious about fixing the problem, we have to confront the TRUTH:

Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long (at least since the 90s and likely longer). That doesn’t start in college, it starts YOUNG.

A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers.

A culture that venerates Cory from “Boy Meets World,” or Zach & Slater over Screech in “Saved by the Bell,” or ‘Stefan’ over Steve Urkel in “Family Matters,” will not produce the best engineers.

(Fact: I know *multiple* sets of immigrant parents in the 90s who actively limited how much their kids could watch those TV shows precisely because they promoted mediocrity…and their kids went on to become wildly successful STEM graduates).

More movies like Whiplash, fewer reruns of “Friends.” More math tutoring, fewer sleepovers. More weekend science competitions, fewer Saturday morning cartoons. More books, less TV. More creating, less “chillin.” More extracurriculars, less “hanging out at the mall.”

Most normal American parents look skeptically at “those kinds of parents.” More normal American kids view such “those kinds of kids” with scorn. If you grow up aspiring to normalcy, normalcy is what you will achieve.

Now close your eyes & visualize which families you knew in the 90s (or even now) who raise their kids according to one model versus the other. Be brutally honest.

“Normalcy” doesn’t cut it in a hyper-competitive global market for technical talent. And if we pretend like it does, we’ll have our asses handed to us by China.

This can be our Sputnik moment. We’ve awaken from slumber before & we can do it again. Trump’s election hopefully marks the beginning of a new golden era in America, but only if our culture fully wakes up. A culture that once again prioritizes achievement over normalcy; excellence over mediocrity; nerdiness over conformity; hard work over laziness.

That’s the work we have cut out for us, rather than wallowing in victimhood & just wishing (or legislating) alternative hiring practices into existence. I’m confident we can do it.

 

[GURPS]

H-1B Uproar Obscures Vast Workforce of Other White-Collar Migrants​

But the H-1B program is just one of many government pipelines that deliver foreign college graduates into the valuable U.S. careers needed by the American middle class.

Each year, the H-1B program delivers roughly 130,000 new workers, including 85,000 workers for private companies. They can stay for six years or longer.

“The resident population of people with H-1Bs is [roughly] 600,000,” Vaughan told Breitbart News.

There is no requirement to offer the H-1B jobs to Americans. Also, there is no limit on the inflow of H-1B workers for non-profits. That loophole has created a new style of non-profit staffing organization that transfers college graduates into private sector jobs.

More than half of the H-1Bs are from India, where the government pressures American companies to hire Indian graduates, even though they are rooted in a culture where workplace corruption and bribes are common.

Deputies working for President Barack Obama also allowed the spouses of H-1Bs to get work permits, dubbed H4EADs. Many now work in jobs alongside their spouses, adding at least 100,000 more white-collar visa workers to the U.S. labor market.

The little-known L-1 visa program allows foreign companies to move their employees into the United States for five to 7 years. In 2022, the Department of State approved 73,000 new L-1s, so the resident white-collar L-1 population is roughly 200,000 white-collar workers.

The spouses of L-1 workers are also allowed to work, adding another 40,000 workers to the workforce, according to a 2017 report by the left-wing Economic Policy Institute.

Many of the H-1B and L-1 workers are allowed to stay past their visa expiry date if their employers offer them the deferred bonus of a government-provided green card. This bonus has created a population of roughly 600,000 Indian workers who are working while waiting for a green card. This population includes many L-1s and H-1Bs, complicating the population count.

The State Department’s J-1 program delivers about 90,000 white-collar workers via multiple categories, such as “short-term scholars, “research scholars,” and professors, who are allowed to stay up to five or even seven years. Government agencies do not reveal the resident population of J-1s, but 300,000 white-collar employees is a reasonable estimate.

The 0-1A so-called “genius visa” program is now delivering at least 9,000 white-collar workers per year, up from 6,500 in 2019. This program is uncapped, like the L-1, TN, and H-1B programs. This visa lasts for three years, so the resident 0-1A population is roughly 25,000.

The TN program allows professionals and recent graduates in Canada and Mexico to get jobs in the United States via the TN visa created by trade treaties. Government officials have said they do not count TN migrants entering the United States from Canada. Vaughan said she estimates the resident TN population to be roughly 120,000 foreign graduates.

The OPT and CPT programs were created for foreign students at American universities. These programs deliver the most new workers each year — but they can only stay for one or three years. Almost 340,000 students and graduates got work permits in 2023, suggesting the resident population is roughly 400,000, most of whom work in technology-related jobs.

The OPT — Optional Practical Training — and the CPT — Curricular Practical Training — programs were not created by Congress but by officials working for President George W. Bush.

The CPT and OPT programs are touted as study programs, but the OPT program is a pipeline for foreigners to get green cards via employers and the H-1B program. These pipelines often run through ethnic hiring networks at Fortune 500 companies or their vast network of “software sweatshops” that implement outsourcing policies at nearly all major U.S. companies.

Many of the OPT and CPT workers fail to get into the H-1B programs and so join the growing population of “overstay” illegal white-collar migrants, many of whom work alongside their legal compatriots as software subcontractors.

This illegal white-collar foreign workforce is also boosted by a growing population of airport migrants. They legally enter the country as tourists or “business visitors,” dubbed B-1/B-2 visas. But they illegally work as freelancers and contractors, usually within ethnic networks of legal migrants. The federal government has done little to suppress or count this population.

There has been no cap on the number of white-collar illegal migrants during Biden’s administration, in part because his pro-migration border chief — Alejandro Mayorkas — enforced a policy of no arrests for migrants who were not found guilty of major crimes.

In addition, Mayorkas has imported roughly one million migrants through his quasi-legal “parole pipelines.” This inflow includes many white-collar workers — but their unrecognized credentials exclude them from licensed professions.

Vaughan suggested these various pipelines have delivered 3 million illegal white-collar workers into the U.S. labor force, alongside the legal population of 1.5 million visa workers.

Lynn estimated the illegal white-collar population at roughly 1.5 million, alongside 1.5 million legal migrants.

In December, Mayrokas announced he would loosen the J-1 program to help migrants from China and India stay in J-1 white-collar jobs for longer than two years.

Mayorkas’ deputies also announced changes to the H-1B program to help American companies import more white-collar workers. The new rules allow more companies to be treated as non-profits so they can import an unlimited number of “cap-exempt” H-1B workers for jobs that are sought by Americans.

The rule states:

Specifically, through this rulemaking, DHS is changing the definition of “nonprofit research organization” and “governmental research organization” by replacing the terms “primarily engaged” and “primary mission” with “fundamental activity” to permit nonprofit entities or governmental research organizations that conduct research as a fundamental activity, but are not primarily engaged in research or where research is not a primary mission, to meet the definition of a nonprofit research entity or governmental research organization for purposes of establishing exemption from the annual statutory limit on H-1B visas.
Additionally, DHS is revising the regulations to recognize that certain beneficiaries may qualify for H-1B cap exemption when they are not directly employed by a qualifying organization, but still spend at least half of their time providing essential work that supports or advances a fundamental purpose, mission, objective, or function of the qualifying organization.

Meanwhile, huge numbers of American professionals are being laid off, according to a December report by Forbes:

Professional and business services, encompassing roles like accountants, consultants, and legal workers, have faced significant layoffs in 2024. These roles accounted for 3.7 million of the nearly 14.9 million layoffs nationwide through the year’s first nine months, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

This is just one floor of Walmart out 3 floors where 1000 and 1000 opt (bentonville, AR) students (mostly fake) are working under 20 to 30$/h and killing white color jobs.
TCS, COGNOZANT, INFOSYS, only hire Indians. How many more proof do we need. ?

 

[stgislander]

H-1B Uproar Obscures Vast Workforce of Other White-Collar Migrants​

But the H-1B program is just one of many government pipelines that deliver foreign college graduates into the valuable U.S. careers needed by the American middle class.

Each year, the H-1B program delivers roughly 130,000 new workers, including 85,000 workers for private companies. They can stay for six years or longer.

“The resident population of people with H-1Bs is [roughly] 600,000,” Vaughan told Breitbart News.

There is no requirement to offer the H-1B jobs to Americans. Also, there is no limit on the inflow of H-1B workers for non-profits. That loophole has created a new style of non-profit staffing organization that transfers college graduates into private sector jobs.

More than half of the H-1Bs are from India, where the government pressures American companies to hire Indian graduates, even though they are rooted in a culture where workplace corruption and bribes are common.

Deputies working for President Barack Obama also allowed the spouses of H-1Bs to get work permits, dubbed H4EADs. Many now work in jobs alongside their spouses, adding at least 100,000 more white-collar visa workers to the U.S. labor market.

The little-known L-1 visa program allows foreign companies to move their employees into the United States for five to 7 years. In 2022, the Department of State approved 73,000 new L-1s, so the resident white-collar L-1 population is roughly 200,000 white-collar workers.

The spouses of L-1 workers are also allowed to work, adding another 40,000 workers to the workforce, according to a 2017 report by the left-wing Economic Policy Institute.

Many of the H-1B and L-1 workers are allowed to stay past their visa expiry date if their employers offer them the deferred bonus of a government-provided green card. This bonus has created a population of roughly 600,000 Indian workers who are working while waiting for a green card. This population includes many L-1s and H-1Bs, complicating the population count.

The State Department’s J-1 program delivers about 90,000 white-collar workers via multiple categories, such as “short-term scholars, “research scholars,” and professors, who are allowed to stay up to five or even seven years. Government agencies do not reveal the resident population of J-1s, but 300,000 white-collar employees is a reasonable estimate.

The 0-1A so-called “genius visa” program is now delivering at least 9,000 white-collar workers per year, up from 6,500 in 2019. This program is uncapped, like the L-1, TN, and H-1B programs. This visa lasts for three years, so the resident 0-1A population is roughly 25,000.

The TN program allows professionals and recent graduates in Canada and Mexico to get jobs in the United States via the TN visa created by trade treaties. Government officials have said they do not count TN migrants entering the United States from Canada. Vaughan said she estimates the resident TN population to be roughly 120,000 foreign graduates.

The OPT and CPT programs were created for foreign students at American universities. These programs deliver the most new workers each year — but they can only stay for one or three years. Almost 340,000 students and graduates got work permits in 2023, suggesting the resident population is roughly 400,000, most of whom work in technology-related jobs.

The OPT — Optional Practical Training — and the CPT — Curricular Practical Training — programs were not created by Congress but by officials working for President George W. Bush.

The CPT and OPT programs are touted as study programs, but the OPT program is a pipeline for foreigners to get green cards via employers and the H-1B program. These pipelines often run through ethnic hiring networks at Fortune 500 companies or their vast network of “software sweatshops” that implement outsourcing policies at nearly all major U.S. companies.

Many of the OPT and CPT workers fail to get into the H-1B programs and so join the growing population of “overstay” illegal white-collar migrants, many of whom work alongside their legal compatriots as software subcontractors.

This illegal white-collar foreign workforce is also boosted by a growing population of airport migrants. They legally enter the country as tourists or “business visitors,” dubbed B-1/B-2 visas. But they illegally work as freelancers and contractors, usually within ethnic networks of legal migrants. The federal government has done little to suppress or count this population.

There has been no cap on the number of white-collar illegal migrants during Biden’s administration, in part because his pro-migration border chief — Alejandro Mayorkas — enforced a policy of no arrests for migrants who were not found guilty of major crimes.

In addition, Mayorkas has imported roughly one million migrants through his quasi-legal “parole pipelines.” This inflow includes many white-collar workers — but their unrecognized credentials exclude them from licensed professions.

Vaughan suggested these various pipelines have delivered 3 million illegal white-collar workers into the U.S. labor force, alongside the legal population of 1.5 million visa workers.

Lynn estimated the illegal white-collar population at roughly 1.5 million, alongside 1.5 million legal migrants.

In December, Mayrokas announced he would loosen the J-1 program to help migrants from China and India stay in J-1 white-collar jobs for longer than two years.

Mayorkas’ deputies also announced changes to the H-1B program to help American companies import more white-collar workers. The new rules allow more companies to be treated as non-profits so they can import an unlimited number of “cap-exempt” H-1B workers for jobs that are sought by Americans.

The rule states:



Meanwhile, huge numbers of American professionals are being laid off, according to a December report by Forbes:







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Sounds like unfettered capitalism. Is it really any different than companies moving offshore for cheaper labor?