Hard feelings

vraiblonde

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You know, when my kids were little and I was bent because they idolized the father that abandoned them and took me - their loving mother - for granted, my friends would tell me, "Don't worry. When they grow up they'll realize what's what. What comes around goes around."

Now that my daughter's grown up and has hard feelings, I have to tell you, I'm not enjoying this as much as I thought I would. :ohwell:
 

cattitude

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You can never win Vrai. I so wanted my son to not to love his dad because his dad has ignored him for pretty much most of his life. Then his dad get sick, really sick and rekindles his relationship with my son. Then my ex dies and my son is heartbroken and I am devasted for my son. You can never win.
 

vraiblonde

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cattitude said:
You can never win.
Isn't that the ####?

So, Pete, I apologize for all the times I told you that it would be different when Boy got older and that you'd get yours. It WILL be different, but it will wrench your heart.
 

Tina2001aniT

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vraiblonde said:
You know, when my kids were little and I was bent because they idolized the father that abandoned them and took me - their loving mother - for granted, my friends would tell me, "Don't worry. When they grow up they'll realize what's what. What comes around goes around."

Now that my daughter's grown up and has hard feelings, I have to tell you, I'm not enjoying this as much as I thought I would. :ohwell:
I definately understand what you are going through, kinda, my kiddo is only 6 and she has the epitome of a POS for a father.......I have always thought the same, what comes around goes around and when she is older she will see the truth and it will make me feel better, but she is figuring him out NOW at 6!! I have heard many times in the past year "my daddy doesn't love me" and "my daddy never wanted to have a kid" and it is DEFINATELY not making me feel better.......he is around just enough to hurt her, I swear that I think him totally disappearing would be better for her, then the sporatic unreliable visits and/or phone calls.....:ohwell:
 

virgovictoria

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vraiblonde said:
You know, when my kids were little and I was bent because they idolized the father that abandoned them and took me - their loving mother - for granted, my friends would tell me, "Don't worry. When they grow up they'll realize what's what. What comes around goes around."

Now that my daughter's grown up and has hard feelings, I have to tell you, I'm not enjoying this as much as I thought I would. :ohwell:


I feel that life can be tough enough. As a parent, it must be hard for you to see your adult child feel hurt towards someone who she should feel nothing but love and safety. It's possible that trust issues will always be just that - issues due to the abandonment, and so on..

I would think, of course, you're not enjoying this. How could you? Knowing how you must have felt, why would you want your children to feel the same way? One would hope that through the resentment - a better understanding of the importance of kindness, good judgement, forgiveness and follow through will prevail.

It sucks to feel sucky. Hope it gets better. :smoochy:
 

vraiblonde

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I'm always surprised at how many people are on here at 5am on a Saturday. :lol:

So is there anything I can say to her to make her feel better? This is partially my fault because she was fine before I shared an email exchange I had with her father and his wife last year. She asked for them so she could know what had happened, plus her acting coach told her she needed to release her repressed emotions so she could use them in her art :rolleyes:.

So, like an idiot, I sent them to her. And she got to see the true contrast between Larry, who loves her and would do anything for her, and her dad, who ditched his kids because his new wife wanted to live closer to her family.

She says that all the letters did was force her to confront what she already knew. But I still feel bad. Should I butt out of her relationship with her father?
 

virgovictoria

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vraiblonde said:
I'm always surprised at how many people are on here at 5am on a Saturday. :lol:

So is there anything I can say to her to make her feel better? This is partially my fault because she was fine before I shared an email exchange I had with her father and his wife last year. She asked for them so she could know what had happened, plus her acting coach told her she needed to release her repressed emotions so she could use them in her art :rolleyes:.

So, like an idiot, I sent them to her. And she got to see the true contrast between Larry, who loves her and would do anything for her, and her dad, who ditched his kids because his new wife wanted to live closer to her family.

She says that all the letters did was force her to confront what she already knew. But I still feel bad. Should I butt out of her relationship with her father?

I grew up learning to "supress" (for lack of a better word) a lot of emotion. I was not even comfortable hugging another person, unless a significant other, until maybe the last 10 years. With that said, if you FEEL bad, then express it. I have found that a "simple" statement of such does not usually suffice - for me or my intended audience. Possibly an explanation of what you wanted, why you allowed her to have the emails, how you felt once she felt the full effect and now, how you really feel that she is so unhappy and angry.

Expression through art (acting) is not a bad way to help ease it out - vice paying too much for too many visits to a therapist and helping to pay for thier next sailboat.

Resentment is such a waste of energy for you and your children. If you can explain things to her, let her cycle through it... *shrug* who knows, it can ease off of both of your shoulders and continue to make you both better people than you already are.
 
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Kain99

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No matter what the e-mails say...Tell her that her Father Loves her with all of his heart. Tell her that he is just lost. Tell your baby that it is ok to cry.

Once you've done all these things... tell her she's young and all hope of a decent relationship with her Dad is not lost.

My kids went through the same thing.... Their Daddy and I were huge azzclowns! After we split he didn't see them for 7 years. No phone calls, no e-mails no nothing.

Last July my daughter e-mailed him and spilled her guts... It was bloody.

Today he is back in their lives and I cannot tell you how much my heart sings for them.

I worry a little... but life is tough. There are no guarantees. You are a great Mom Vrai!
 

Ken King

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This is one of those things that your daughter has to work out for herself. Don't blow rosy smoke up her butt and don't talk trash about the biological unit in her presence. Just be supportive and let her know that you will always be there for her and continue to express your love for her as you have, even if you are being taken for granted. She knows the bottom line already, she just has to accept it if her Dad doesn't change his ways. After all that is where the problem lies and he is the only person that can fix it between them.
 

vraiblonde

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Kain99 said:
Tell her that he is just lost.
He's not, though, and I don't like to lie to my kids.

What I've told her is that she needs to change her attitude about the situation. Her dad is not this terrible person - he just doesn't make his kids a priority, plus he has a resentful jealous wife who begrudges every penny of child support and now college payments.

It is what it is. Now comes acceptance via a reducing of expectations. Like VV said, she needs to cycle through it.
 

Pete

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vraiblonde said:
Isn't that the ####?

So, Pete, I apologize for all the times I told you that it would be different when Boy got older and that you'd get yours. It WILL be different, but it will wrench your heart.
It is a complicated mess that is for sure. I used to hate when he would come home from a visit at her place and cry, not wanting his mom to go. I used to think “If you ever knew why things are screwed up like this you would not cry about her leaving.” Then I realized he was 3 and doing what 3 year olds do, I was 35 and being a petty b!tch. I go out of my way for him to see his mom now and have for a long time. I decided a long time ago that in the horrible crap that went down, the 2 adults would rebound, but Boy would be permanently affected. He will never know the joy of Dad and Mom in the same house, and with the possibility of me finding someone compatible dimming it looks like it is just me and him so making it possible for her to be in his life is the best I can do.

I view Boy as a little computer, he is for the most part programmable and that is my job. I am loading his ROM with my morals and values. Unfortunately my morals and values are in direct contrast to hers and the inevitable result is him not respecting her as a person. I could gloss over her continued failings as a human like co-dependence, living off the generosity of others, the endless line of guys having “sleep over’s”, everything being a crisis, drama, never planning for tomorrow, or I can stick to my guns. I would rather have him grow up to be an old fashioned, honorable, responsible, decent, productive man than rationalize how his mother lives and have him growing up thinking he can do whatever and I will arrive shortly after with a checkbook and make the bad authorities leave him alone. I do wonder what his attitude towards women will be because she is not exactly providing the best role model.

My attitude about his relationship was based on fear, the fear he would one day march in and say “I wanna go live with her because you are no fun and too strict.” That all changed when he was 4 and I went up to pick him up from a extended stay with her. I had worked myself into a nervous wreck on the drive up, sweating, bile in my throat, tense all in anticipation of the scene I would have to endure, him crying and throwing a fit, her boo hooing and playing it up, the crowd of her “friends” who always seemed to be there to witness the circus. When I rang the bell the door opened, he saw me, ran over and gave me a hug and a kiss, turned and marched directly to his bag and drug it to the door to leave. I had to make him go give her a hug and a kiss. It was that moment I knew that if there could be a winner in that situation it was me. From that day on I have never worried about his relationship with her because I felt totally secure in mine with him.

If one day he, as a reasonable, level headed young man decides his mother is not the greatest person in the world that is between him and her. I will know that I did not vilify her, she created his impression by her actions and lifestyle and that is something she will have to live with. It is not to say I will feel happy if he ends up thinking she is a pitiful POS, I will not, BUT he knows I will always be there and that is all I can do. I have had many opportunities over the last 7 years to see her in dire straights, reaping what she has sewn, and I feel funny saying that I was not gleeful at her circumstances. I was more disappointed that despite everything she simply refuses to grow up.
 

Vince

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vraiblonde said:
He's not, though, and I don't like to lie to my kids.

What I've told her is that she needs to change her attitude about the situation. Her dad is not this terrible person - he just doesn't make his kids a priority, plus he has a resentful jealous wife who begrudges every penny of child support and now college payments.
Been there. My daughter doesn't like her mother very much. Don't get the wrong idea, her mother is a real POS, but I just tell her that people change and you might not like her very much, but you still need to love her because she's your mother. Her mother wasn't always this way, but people do change and sometimes for the worse.
 

pvineswinger

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I went through the same thing with my parents- my dad was a complete a$$ and my mom sacrificed a ton for us. I went through a stage where I didn't even want to talk to my dad- but after awhile I realized, he's human. I haven't forgotten how he treated us and my mom- but he's my dad and I forgive him.
On the other hand, my mom told us the truth about him- even when we had him on a pedestal- and now I know my mom is the greatest and most beautiful woman I know. I talk to her about EVERYTHING- and confide in her, and respect any advice she offers. And her opinion means more to me than my own at times. We all grow up and learn who the great people in our lives are.
Did I mention that I love my momma!?
 
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