Hard feelings

sleuth

Livin' Like Thanksgivin'
My parents divorced when I was 16, after my mother having learned a year earlier that my dad had an affair lasting 2 years.

During the year that my parents stayed together and tried to save the marriage after finding out, I learned what a weak person my dad was. This was a man that I had worshipped, and as a boy always does, I had put him on a pedestal. Well, he was doomed to come crashing down sometime.

But the way he came crashing down is what got me. He became vengeful, spiteful, manipulative. He turned to alcohol, quit going to work, and began stalking my mother. And one evening, about 6 months after the divorce, when I wouldn't tell him where my mother was (she was on a date), he disowned me as his son. This behavior continued for awhile longer, until he made a suicide attempt, and I was forced to sign a form to commit him to the Hamilton Center for a week.

After that, things calmed down. But seeing the way that he fought his child support, and his agreements about paying for half my college made me realize, as I got older, that this man was not someone who lived up to his word, and he wasn't someone that I could trust. I ended up paying my last 3 years of college virtually by myself because I didn't want to start a family battle every time the bill came. I was better for it. Although, the last semester I came up short, and I asked my dad to help out with the funds. I was going to get a $5000 loan, and I asked if he could pay back a portion of it. He said yes, and 3 years after graduation, I haven't seen a dime.

I've forgiven him, I think. I just learned to accept him for all that he can be. We go golfing together. We spend holidays together and go to an occasional family cookout on that side of the family. I've learned to look at him as an activity partner rather than a parent or a dad, and it makes our relationship civil that way. He's also a helpful advisor when it comes to things like my car and my home improvements. And I respect him for his knowledge and experience in these areas.

I don't respect him as a person though. I've learned that our values and morals are at opposite ends of the spectrum, and there's always a flash or two that I'm still right about that.

Only a year or two ago, I went out to a bar to have a drink with my dad. First time ever. Well, he got plastered, then he wanted to drive me home, and I refused. I began walking, and he got beligerent (sp?) and once more proceeded to verbally abuse me, his son. This stuff.. never gets any less painful when he does it.

Maybe one day he'll understand why we aren't as close as we used to be. In the meantime, I tolerate him, because he's my dad, and I wait and pray for that day when he finds meaning in life, whether it be through religion or something else, and truly realizes all that he's done to his son.
 

crabcake

But wait, there's more...
pvineswinger said:
I went through the same thing with my parents- my dad was a complete a$$ and my mom sacrificed a ton for us. I went through a stage where I didn't even want to talk to my dad- but after awhile I realized, he's human. I haven't forgotten how he treated us and my mom- but he's my dad and I forgive him.
On the other hand, my mom told us the truth about him- even when we had him on a pedestal- and now I know my mom is the greatest and most beautiful woman I know. I talk to her about EVERYTHING- and confide in her, and respect any advice she offers. And her opinion means more to me than my own at times. We all grow up and learn who the great people in our lives are.
Did I mention that I love my momma!?
are you my long-lost twin? :confused:
 
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Kizzy

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pvineswinger said:
I went through the same thing with my parents- my dad was a complete a$$ and my mom sacrificed a ton for us. I went through a stage where I didn't even want to talk to my dad- but after awhile I realized, he's human. I haven't forgotten how he treated us and my mom- but he's my dad and I forgive him.
On the other hand, my mom told us the truth about him- even when we had him on a pedestal- and now I know my mom is the greatest and most beautiful woman I know. I talk to her about EVERYTHING- and confide in her, and respect any advice she offers. And her opinion means more to me than my own at times. We all grow up and learn who the great people in our lives are.
Did I mention that I love my momma!?


My parents stayed married until her death, but she was not happy. My father was a tyrant in the house, always in a rage, yelling, screaming, and angry.

I use to think my mother was weak for not standing her ground with him, she would always say "ok" "he is the boss" "your father said so." I knew then that she wasn't happy, but she made those sacrifices for the family and her children. Even when she died, I didn't have a clear understanding of why she did this, viewed her as weak, now that I have my own family, I see it clearer now. Over the years, my father has come to realize that his behavior was horrible then, and my sisters and I have moved on from that. We may never forget those days. We lived in a small town and everyone was well aware of our family situation.

Growing up is hard enough, if it weren’t the human spawn would live at home forever and never desire going out in the world and living their lives freely. My parents were married the entire time I grew up, and even still, you have conflicts with your parents from time to time. When there is an option of changing your environment, say running off and living with the other parent, it makes it harder for the custodial parent to stand ground on an issue. Then you have mom, possibly with another person, and the father, possibly with another person after a divorce, still trying to come together and raise a child, when each parent may have children with this new person. I do believe that stepparents can grow to love their stepchildren a great deal, but does that typically happen on both ends? The non-custodial parent could possibly complain about the loss of income out of the house, the child could and may remind that stepparent how they are not their father or their mother, and overall, it makes the situation that much more complicated, causing disputes. It is already hard enough raising kids and having two different households only makes it that much more stressful.

No matter what, our parents are our parents and in some way, no matter how strained the relationship was, we love our parents. We may not agree with the way they did things, handled things, may see their faults, but we love our parents, but they are our flesh and blood.
 
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deino2002

~LEGS FOR DAYS~
I think I need to save some of these post & share them with my daughter when she gets a little older....Like Tina my daughter is young (7) but lately she has made comments like...."my daddy doesn't care about me anymore, my daddy doesn't love me anymore." It breaks my heart to hear her say these things....I bite my tounge & say nothing negative about him.. I just reassure her that her mommy loves her. I could sit here for days & write about all the bs I am going through with child support & visitation.....but I will spare you all.....most of you know what I am going through as you are going through it yourselves.....To have to explain to a 7 year old why her daddy doesn't visit with her really sucks....At first I made up excuses for him...but now I tell her "I really don't know." As most of you had/have done you tried to make the relationship with the other parent work, but there comes a point where if the other is not trying you give up........At times I wish I had every other weekend to myself, but I don't & I am thankful in a way because I then don't have to worry about if she is being taken care of properly. I know she is, because she is with me......I'm just waiting for the day that she asks me about the situtation, I just hope that she never looks down on me or thinks I am the bad guy :ohwell:
 

meme

The Smart Hooker
My mother and father were divorced when I was 2. My father (the total loser) was never in my life. Well, he would for a while and then he wouldn't. My mom got a big $12.50 a week for childsupport. However, my mother never complained about the money, never took him back to court (she managed) and she never talked bad about my father. I'm glad she never downed him because I probably wouldn't have figured how how much of a total loser he was myself. Having realized how much my mom sacrificed for me and how my dad got the "good end of the deal" has made me love and respect my mother more then ever. The only thing I can suggest Vrai is let your daughter figure things out on her own. With your support she will heal in due time and she will thank you for standing by her in the end.
 

Christy

b*tch rocket
Criminy! Guess I'm the only one with a mother and father who both loved me. :shrug: But as I've grown, and have kids of my own, I will classify my dad (when my mom and dad were divorced for ten years, now they've been back together for about 15 :lol: ) as a "Disney Dad". My mom had the brunt of the bs and responsibility with raising me while my dad was the "hero" because if I wanted a new jacket, or a new stereo, he was the one to get me whatever I wanted whenever I wanted. One thing I can say about my dad though, was that he always stood behind my mother when she was kicking my azz, and I knew how far I could push my mom before getting my dad involved to put the smackdown on me. :lol:


Holy moly, we're all just screwed up aren't we? :lol:

Vrai, I think you did a good thing by sending her those emails, she'll come to terms and work it all out. They can't stay little and sheltered forever. :huggy: :flowers:
 

pvineswinger

Swinging on Vines
Christy said:
Criminy! Guess I'm the only one with a mother and father who both loved me. :shrug: But as I've grown, and have kids of my own, I will classify my dad (when my mom and dad were divorced for ten years, now they've been back together for about 15 :lol: ) as a "Disney Dad". My mom had the brunt of the bs and responsibility with raising me while my dad was the "hero" because if I wanted a new jacket, or a new stereo, he was the one to get me whatever I wanted whenever I wanted. One thing I can say about my dad though, was that he always stood behind my mother when she was kicking my azz, and I knew how far I could push my mom before getting my dad involved to put the smackdown on me. :lol:


Holy moly, we're all just screwed up aren't we? :lol:

Vrai, I think you did a good thing by sending her those emails, she'll come to terms and work it all out. They can't stay little and sheltered forever. :huggy: :flowers:
My mom used to call my dad a Disney dad too- since she had to be the disciplinarian, she had to make us go to bed, she had to make us eat our vegetables, etc.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
Mom was Dad’s third wife and it lasted over 50 years until he past on last May. As a child I hardly remember Dad at all as he was a sailor aboard ship until his last tour of duty when he chose shore station here at Pax. Mom was everything to the household and a stronger woman you couldn’t find. Dad was an ornery cuss that was brutally honest, of high integrity and probably never kissed anyone’s ass in his life (some say I’m a chip off the old block, imagine that).

My first marriage went sour at about year 8 and I tried to hold it together (for the kids) but at year 13 the divorce was final and I ended up with the kids. Their mother rarely if ever would take them for her designated weekend or her two weeks in summer. She would call and say she was coming for them and then not show. She never provided one cent of support for them and I never pushed for it even though I had to pay her “rehabilitative alimony” for 3 years.

The kids know how she is and the reasons we parted. They still love her, though at times they can’t stand her. I figure it is the same for me, but they didn’t like me when they were younger and I was a hard father. Now they know that I was just trying to mold them for the future and appreciate my being tough on them. They also know that they can call upon me anytime for anything and I will do everything in my power to do or help with what they need. They know that their mother isn’t the same and her priorities are and will always be ahead of theirs. I guess it’s just the nature of some people not to have their children mean the world to them, unlike most of us.
 

Nickel

curiouser and curiouser
Ken King said:
This is one of those things that your daughter has to work out for herself. Don't blow rosy smoke up her butt and don't talk trash about the biological unit in her presence.
:yeahthat: My dad was a very loving father, until he and my mom split. Then my brother and I were put on the back burner. He lived 2 and a half hours away, and we hardly ever saw him. He would blow us off for whatever woman he was dating at the time, and my mom had to pick up the pieces. I have continually been screwed over by my father, financially, emotionally, you name it, since I was 11 years old. I'm over it. I've learned to realize that my dad is who he is. You can't sugar coat it, and no one can help you come to the realization, nor can they heal the wounds caused by years of heartache. At 22, I have a mediocre relationship with my father. He's retired from the Navy, and moved back to his hometown in Tennessee. He is on his third marriage, to a wonderful woman whom I adore. Even so, I rarely see him (unless it's a holiday or I go to visit him), and it's been months since I've even talked to him on the phone. I love my father, very much. All of the bad does not outweigh the good, but I cannot depend on him for anything, and I'm okay with that.
 
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