Have we seen the last game for #8?
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Larry Gude
Strung Out
No....
...no he will not.
Gibbs has stood by Mark every step of the way and nothing, NOTHING has changed in Mark's performance to justify benching him. Mark connected on the one deep ball yesterday. He made plenty of the little shorties and screens he is asked to do. He is doing the same job now that he did since he got here. Heck, the one pick was only his fourth this year; not bad for 9 games.
The line has not been great. The defense is in a horrible rut with so few takeaways and giving up so many big plays. Portis has been hurt. Point is, Mark, if we are to argue he is playing clearly at a lower level than before, has too much company to be singled out. Especially by Gibbs.
As long as we have a chance to make the playoffs and Mark is healthy, Gibbs stays with him. He has to.
He has to or he will simply be making the change for changes sake and then he has to face 'why now and not before if you, coach, still believe in the guy?'
Once we are mathematically eliminated, then the rationale for getting Jason ready for next year makes sense, in Gibbs logic.
Until then, hope exists, such as it is, and thus a chance for Mark to, if nothing else, go down swinging.
Pete said:
...no he will not.
Gibbs has stood by Mark every step of the way and nothing, NOTHING has changed in Mark's performance to justify benching him. Mark connected on the one deep ball yesterday. He made plenty of the little shorties and screens he is asked to do. He is doing the same job now that he did since he got here. Heck, the one pick was only his fourth this year; not bad for 9 games.
The line has not been great. The defense is in a horrible rut with so few takeaways and giving up so many big plays. Portis has been hurt. Point is, Mark, if we are to argue he is playing clearly at a lower level than before, has too much company to be singled out. Especially by Gibbs.
As long as we have a chance to make the playoffs and Mark is healthy, Gibbs stays with him. He has to.
He has to or he will simply be making the change for changes sake and then he has to face 'why now and not before if you, coach, still believe in the guy?'
Once we are mathematically eliminated, then the rationale for getting Jason ready for next year makes sense, in Gibbs logic.
Until then, hope exists, such as it is, and thus a chance for Mark to, if nothing else, go down swinging.
smoothmarine187
Well-Known Member
The number 1 offense was put against the number 30 Defense.......what did everyone think would happen yesterday?
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Now THERE...
...is the unthinkable.
Dan Snyder has lost the image of well meaning bumbler by having Gibbs because Gibbs so overtly takes responsibiltiy for everything bad and endlessly praises his owner for everything good and being everything a coach could ask for.
The job is Gibbs as long as he wants it and not even Snyder has the hubris, meaning in this case insanity, to fire God.
FireBrand said:
...is the unthinkable.
Dan Snyder has lost the image of well meaning bumbler by having Gibbs because Gibbs so overtly takes responsibiltiy for everything bad and endlessly praises his owner for everything good and being everything a coach could ask for.
The job is Gibbs as long as he wants it and not even Snyder has the hubris, meaning in this case insanity, to fire God.
smoothmarine187
Well-Known Member
Now with Portis being out for the next 5 weeks with a broken hand........they are really screwed!
Pete
Repete
But the Skins have no chance for the playoffs now. It is not a "performace" issue because as you point out they all suck equally, it is a "Brunnel is old, very limited time left in the league, might as well look to the future and start bringing along the new guy" now since this season is all but over. If you bring in the youngster and give him 6 starts and we go 0-6 big whoop. Think "Romo".Larry Gude said:
smoothmarine187
Well-Known Member
Pete said:
I would love to see that happen
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Yes they do...
..they could go 10-6. They could finish 3-3 in the NFC East and have a chance at winning a tie breaker over NY and Philly. They need to win 7 straight to do this. It is POSSIBLE.
Now, I think I've made my thoughts on Brunell known add nauseum. We are the laughingstock of the league simply based on the success of so many young QB's. My point is simply that given the things Gibbs has said matter to him, the leadership and smarts and decent results and given Mark's performance relative to Gibbs stated expectations, there is no case to be made in benching him yet, per Gibbs.
If we win next week and Mark's healthy, he certainly starts the following week. If we lose and Mark's healthy will still may not have reached the point of mathematical elimination.
Gibbs is a man of redemption when it comes to 'his' guys.
Pete said:
..they could go 10-6. They could finish 3-3 in the NFC East and have a chance at winning a tie breaker over NY and Philly. They need to win 7 straight to do this. It is POSSIBLE.
Now, I think I've made my thoughts on Brunell known add nauseum. We are the laughingstock of the league simply based on the success of so many young QB's. My point is simply that given the things Gibbs has said matter to him, the leadership and smarts and decent results and given Mark's performance relative to Gibbs stated expectations, there is no case to be made in benching him yet, per Gibbs.
If we win next week and Mark's healthy, he certainly starts the following week. If we lose and Mark's healthy will still may not have reached the point of mathematical elimination.
Gibbs is a man of redemption when it comes to 'his' guys.
nachomama
All Up In Your Grill
Pete said:
You are exactly right. They should give Jason a chance. Hell, look who they have left to play - Bucs, Panthers, Falcons, Eagles again, Saints, Rams & the Giants. Portis is gone, at least until they play the Falcons or the Eagles again...They are 3-6 now, do they honestly think they have a chance of going 10-6 or even 9-7? Let #17 play, he may surprise them. Sure as hell can hurt. :shrug:
Buckets
@SOMD_Nationals
No to get off the subject....But...I would like to comment on the no heart overpaid safety. Adam A. is the worst signing ever. He cant cover anyone and never has been able too. Even in St. Loius he couldn't cover, they just outscored everyone. We brought him in here with a big paycheck thinking he was the next John Lynch. He cant hold Lynch's jock strap. Why didnt we keep Ryan Clark, Walt Harris???????
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Well...
...that's an interesting question, especially because it seems Archuletta was Greg Williams idea.
We let Antonio Pierce go. Bad.
Fred Smoot go. Bad.
Champ for Portis. Bad.
Clark. Bad.
Get Carter. Not much good.
Get Griffin. Good.
Big Joe. Good.
Marcus Washington. Good.
Carlos Rogers #1. Not so good.
Springs. Good but if we'd kept Champ and Fred...
It's a mixed bag on defense for the last three years. There is no arguing that this past year, Archuletta and Carter, was a bust.
Buckets said:
...that's an interesting question, especially because it seems Archuletta was Greg Williams idea.
We let Antonio Pierce go. Bad.
Fred Smoot go. Bad.
Champ for Portis. Bad.
Clark. Bad.
Get Carter. Not much good.
Get Griffin. Good.
Big Joe. Good.
Marcus Washington. Good.
Carlos Rogers #1. Not so good.
Springs. Good but if we'd kept Champ and Fred...
It's a mixed bag on defense for the last three years. There is no arguing that this past year, Archuletta and Carter, was a bust.
Ponytail
New Member
nachomama said:The Redskins honestly didn't stand a chance. Chris Cooley is on DC101 every Monday morning and he said that no one stepped up yesterday. He said that it's not Brunell, it's the team as a whole. There's no consistency.
No consistancy because there are no leaders among all the talent. Change the QB, give the team a different look. Shake the tree a little and see what falls out.
If ya keep doing what you've always done, you're going to get what you've always gotten.
If Gibbs goes any longer with the "Brunell is God theme", Gibbs should be replaced. It is simply retarded to go this long with no improvement without making some serious changes.
Pete
Repete
Good point. I thought Archeletta lost his starting job? I never saw his mumber yesterday at all. Every burn we took was Rogers or Springs.Buckets said:
Arch is killer in run support. He is a wildman but you are right he can't cover at all. He was the culprit in the pass completion last week that got Dallas in FG range. He got burned bad right in the middle. Luckily it was blocked but #40 almost was the goat for a loss.
Statistically speaking Gibbs is justified in keeping Brunell in the game.Ponytail said:
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Statistically speaking...
...3-6, no he's not!
Ken King said:
...3-6, no he's not!