Have you actually read the Bible ?

[Toxick]

I think you misunderstood my intentions. I was thinking more on the lines of Gideon's fleece. Seek God, even if it is "just testing" and He will reveal His evidence or reason to believe. When His reason is revealed, it is no longer "just testing", but becomes "I see."

I'm not sure that is any clearer, but I tried.

Much clearer.

Actually the "just testing" is how I came back to Christianity after quite a sabbatacal. For a good long while in my life I was an atheist. I called myself an "agnostic" at the time (patting myself on the back for my open-mindedness), but looking back, I'll call a spade a spade and say what I was. I was an atheist plain and simple.

Then I took a class in comparative religions. I wasn't much interested in the class at the time, but afterwards, I became very interested in the subject, and I started to do historical research on my own, and I did some digging and discovered that there's more than enough evidence to convince me beyond the shadow of a doubt.

All you have to do is look.

I've never had a religious experience, and I've never 'seen the face of God' or any kind of thing like that. I'm not sure that I could even say that I have a personal relationship with Jesus - since I'm not even entirely sure what that means. But I see.

 

[morganj614]

No.

 

[virgovictoria]

No.

Morgie, I am sporting a grin. I am begging myself not to go back, beyond your post, and bet that your answer is, indeed, the answer to the posted thread question.

Do I have a winner????

Your Pal,
VV

 

[morganj614]

Morgie, I am sporting a grin. I am begging myself not to go back, beyond your post, and bet that your answer is, indeed, the answer to the posted thread question.

Do I have a winner????

Your Pal,
VV

Hey Pal I answered the question, plain and simple without the

ding ding ding,
Your Pal,
M

 

[virgovictoria]

Hey Pal I answered the question, plain and simple without the



ding ding ding,
Your Pal,
M

 

[slotted]

I've always thought that Pascal's Wager to be the absolute worst reason to believe in God, or putting faith in Christ. In fact, it appears to me to be "I don't really believe in God, but I'm afraid of the concept of Hell, therefore I will force myself to 'believe'."

Not to mention that with the thousands of religions out there you must pick the right one.

I've often said that anyone who can't see the evidence of God is ignoring it, or dismissing it out of hand.

Please provide evidence of god. They call it faith for a reason.

 

[slotted]

Forgot to mention. I have read the bible through many times in a variety of versions. I once was a believer, I've attended seminary, and have studied the bible very closely while trying to apply it to my life.

I recommend everyone read it. Nothing like it to turn one into an unbeliever.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Forgot to mention. I have read the bible through many times in a variety of versions. I once was a believer, I've attended seminary, and have studied the bible very closely while trying to apply it to my life.

I recommend everyone read it. Nothing like it to turn one into an unbeliever.

So you will have no excuse when you stand before Him. Satan knows every word of the Bible.

 

[slotted]

So you will have no excuse when you stand before Him.

You start off with an unsupported assumption. You assume that your invisible skydaddy exists.

 

[Bustem' Down]

You know, I don't believe in God, but I respect other peoples beliefs. I don't come in here making offensive statements to the fact, it just makes you look retarded. It's not our fault that you didn't like going to church as a child and so in rebellion you try and offend anyone with any kind of faith. You should just keep your opinions to yourself unless you plan on making an intelligent contribution to the conversation.

 

[slotted]

You know, I don't believe in God, but I respect other peoples beliefs. I don't come in here making offensive statements to the fact

That's your perogative.

it just makes you look retarded. It's not our fault that you didn't like going to church as a child and so in rebellion you try and offend anyone with any kind of faith.

Wrong, make another retarded guess.

You should just keep your opinions to yourself unless you plan on making an intelligent contribution to the conversation.

Last I checked this was a public forum. Did someone make you a moderator lately?


BTW, I came in here for debate, suggest you grow some thicker skin.

 

[Penn]

Hmmmm, actually "feel" the presence of God working with/for you?

Some might call it coincidence(and I did many years ago too), but there have been too many times lately, when I've been in the position to be of help(someone has a problem they can't solve by themselves), or I've been in a situation where I've needed help,(and lo and behold, I've literally turned a corner, and someone was there for me).

Since I turned/returned to my Lord, He's shown me He is there. What else can I say, or how do I explain the good things that have happened to me?

No, it hasn't all been good; there have been sad times as well, too.

Darn it! When you find yourself in a position to aid someone, and you get this feeling - like you know what you're supposed to do, and it all comes together, what else can you call it?

I just simply thank God, that He allowed me to be the one to help somebody in need. It's like a blessing He bestowed on me; like it was my turn to pitch in that day. :shrug:

You want to call it "faith"? I would say He's working through us. Those of us who have asked Him to come into our hearts and help us out.

 

[slotted]

Penn,
I'm not denying that you've had important experiences, but have you considered that your experiences may be explainable by purely material causes? People of all religions have religious experiences. Does that mean you should accept all religions? Or rather, that everyone can have such experiences, and that they do not necessarily prove that a god exists?

It is undeniable that firm and clear convictions can have powerful effects, but this is true of all convictions, not only religious ones.

 

[Bustem' Down]

That's your perogative.



Wrong, make another retarded guess.



Last I checked this was a public forum. Did someone make you a moderator lately?


BTW, I came in here for debate, suggest you grow some thicker skin.

Debate is fine, but last I checked, real debates do not use degogatory words like "skydaddy". I have nothing wrong with debate, I'm just saying keep it civilized because that last post sounded like it came from a 16 year old and not a grown man.

 

[toyinakanle]

Read it too

Yep I've read the bible cover to cover once. I will try again and again. It's the Book. All life issues are dealt with in the Bible. Everybody should read it. IOt's God's words. Yep!