Holocaust Denial Undermines Islam

[This_person]

I do say that there is a lot of unreliable info and no reliable authority source.

Bard, Mitchell, editor. The Nuremberg Trial. San Diego, Calif.: Greenhaven Press, Inc., 2002. (KZ 1176 .N87 2002)
Presents translated excerpts of primary source documentation from all aspects of the IMT, including preparation for the trial, the prosecution arguments, and the verdicts. Part of the History Firsthand series.


Jackson, Robert Houghwout. The Nürnberg Case. New York: Cooper Square Publishers, 1971. (D 804 .G42 J235 1971)
Contains selected statements by Jackson made in relation to his role at Nuremberg. Includes his report to the President, in which he summarizes his actions in relation to the trial, the opening statement for the United States, the closing address, and several cross-examinations and arguments.


Marrus, Michael R. The Nuremberg War Crimes Trial, 1945-46: A Documentary History. Boston: Bedford Books, 1997. (D 804 .G42 M37 1997)
Collection of translated excerpts from official documents, letters, and testimony transcripts outlining the history of the Nuremberg trial. Contains extensive quotations from the Trial and the texts of final statements made by Nuremberg defendants.


Robinson, Jacob, and Henry Sachs. The Holocaust: The Nuremberg Evidence: Digest, Index, and Chronological Tables. Jerusalem: Yad Vashem, 1976. (Reference D 804 .G42 R62 1976-)
Digest of the court documents used in the Nuremberg Trial. Includes for each document the court code number, the date the document was written, and a brief annotation. Organized both by court number and by date. Contains no actual documents, but is useful for locating documents in other sources.


Smith, Bradley F., editor. The American Road to Nuremberg: The Documentary Record, 1944-1945. Stanford: Hoover Institution Press, 1982. (D 804 .G42 A537 1982)
Collection of declassified policy memoranda, telephone conversations, notes between government officials, and policy directives produced by the United States government concerning the structure and purpose of the Nuremberg Trial. Includes an introduction to each chronological section providing background information.


Stipp, John L., editor. Devil's Diary: The Record of Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression. Yellow Springs, Ohio: Antioch Press, 1955. (D 804 .G42 D485 1955)
Collection of translated German government documents meant to demonstrate the criminality of the Nazi regime's plan to wage aggressive war. The documents are edited, condensed, and annotated.


Nope, none.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

The Nuremberg War Crimes Trial, 1945-46:

Nope, none.

That really was my point - duh.

That other major events have high standard scholar reseach and books available for anyone to read.

The Nuremberg trials have extensive high quality authorities available to the public.

So does WW II, and even about Hitler and about the Nazis, and most other aspects.

But on the concentration camps and the final solution the sources are full of emotional rhetoric and few hard facts.

There was a recent news report that said the German archives were sealed for 50 years and have recently been opened,

so maybe that is the reason for the lack of info. I will try to find that link.

 

[This_person]

That really was my point - duh.

Your "point" was that you were wrong, lying, and make no sense?

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Your "point" was that you were wrong, lying, and make no sense?

That was my point?

wow,

that must be the smartest dog on this Board. Not.

 

[This_person]

That was my point?

wow,

that must be the smartest dog on this Board. Not.

See how it was a question, an opening for you to explain yourself? Reading Comprehension, please take the course!!!

See, I gave you a long list of impartial books, and you continue to say there are none. So, when you say "that was your point", I can only assume you mean your point was to lie and be ignorant. If you're not, try and demonstrate it, just one time.

 

[bdh802]

OUT

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MY

POLITICAL

PARTY

NOW!!

OH NO! You're not pushing JPC over to us (Republicans). We don't want him either. I was going to say there is probably some other political party out there that would take him but I doubt it.

 

[hvp05]

I was going to say there is probably some other political party out there that would take him but I doubt it.

JPC is different in that the (R) and (D) designations do not mean Republican and Democrat, but Retarded and Deadbeat (Drunken would also suffice).

Both of those are parties he is qualified to join.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

OUT

OF

MY

POLITICAL

PARTY

NOW!!

This is what you and yours have created.

JPC is the perfect democrat. He is clueless and refuses to acknowlege facts.

 

[bdh802]

This is what you and yours have created.

JPC is the perfect democrat. He is clueless and refuses to acknowlege facts.

You have a good point there.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

There was a recent news report that said the German archives were sealed for 50 years and have recently been opened,

so maybe that is the reason for the lack of info. I will try to find that link.

Well I have searched for the news report and can not find it anywhere.

I heard it on TV but I still expected a link some where.

But it goes back to my point that info concerning the Nazi concentration camps is limited big time.

 

[vraiblonde]

OUT

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MY

POLITICAL

PARTY

NOW!!

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Okay,

I agree,

Vegmom made a funny,

ha, ha, HA.

 

[hvp05]

Well I have searched for the news report and can not find it anywhere. I heard it on TV but I still expected a link some where.

Perhaps if your cerebrospinal fluid had not been replaced by a stupidity-inducing cocaine/alcohol cocktail 20 years ago you would have been able to figure out how to search correctly.

I googled "nazi germany archives sealed" and here is the first result listed.

The archive contains Nazi records on the arrest, transportation, incarceration, forced labor and deaths of millions of people from the year the Nazis built their first concentration camp in 1933 to the end of the war in May 1945. It also has a vast collection of postwar records from displaced persons camps.

The name index refers to 17.5 million victims, and the documents fill 16 miles of shelves.

Earlier, you said, "The worse disparity that I find is that the number '6 million' Jews exterminated is just plain wrong, the Holocaust could have had a million or two or whatever as we just do not know because no reseach is ever reported." So you think that, out of the 17.5 million names listed in the aforementioned files, it's still impossible for ~6 million of those people to have died during Hitler's nearly 12-year long crusade?

I found numerous statistical sources. They do not give a mysterious single figure, but numbers from each nation that lost Jews.

Here is one (5,962,129 killed);
Here is another (5,820,960 killed);
and here is a third (5,596,049 killed - apparently not including the ~.5 million who died indirectly from Nazi abuses).

The first site includes this timeline. One line states:

Jan 25, 1944 - Diary entry by Hans Frank, Gauleiter of Poland, concerning the fate of 2.5 million Jews originally under his jurisdiction - "At the present time we still have in the General Government perhaps 100,000 Jews."

("Gauleiter" means regional Nazi party leader.) So that's nearly 2.5 million out of Poland alone by early 1944, which again refutes your assertion that maybe only "a million or two" died altogether.

Of course, I know you will find fault with those sources because you must to be able to sustain your ignorant claims. You don't want to believe Jewish sources, or Nazi sources, or modern sources... but at least everyone else can see the reality.

 

[hvp05]

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Perhaps if your cerebrospinal fluid had not been replaced by a stupidity-inducing cocaine/alcohol cocktail 20 years ago you would have been able to figure out how to search correctly.

I googled "nazi germany archives sealed" and here is the first result listed.

Earlier, you said, "The worse disparity that I find is that the number '6 million' Jews exterminated is just plain wrong, the Holocaust could have had a million or two or whatever as we just do not know because no reseach is ever reported." So you think that, out of the 17.5 million names listed in the aforementioned files, it's still impossible for ~6 million of those people to have died during Hitler's nearly 12-year long crusade?

I found numerous statistical sources. They do not give a mysterious single figure, but numbers from each nation that lost Jews.

Here is one (5,962,129 killed);
Here is another (5,820,960 killed);
and here is a third (5,596,049 killed - apparently not including the ~.5 million who died indirectly from Nazi abuses).

The first site includes this timeline. One line states"Gauleiter" means regional Nazi party leader.) So that's nearly 2.5 million out of Poland alone by early 1944, which again refutes your assertion that maybe only "a million or two" died altogether.

Of course, I know you will find fault with those sources because you must to be able to sustain your ignorant claims. You don't want to believe Jewish sources, or Nazi sources, or modern sources... but at least everyone else can see the reality.

I am glad you found that link.

The reasoning to hide the info all these years seem quite pathetic to me, more emotional claims.

I do not deny that many died and the 17.5 million is rather large compared to the 50-70 million dead in the war itself link.

My understanding is that the Germans used the extermination camps to kill other people besides Jews.

Hitler hated the Poles and the Serbs and exterminated Russians and Slavic races too.

He actually wrote in his book that he had no real grievance against the British or American people.

According to the "hvp" link they are still going to withhold the records from scholars,

and that means more hiding and more cover up and more opinions mis-used as facts.

 

[hvp05]

The reasoning to hide the info all these years seem quite pathetic to me, more emotional claims.

Perhaps if you had lost family members in the concentration camps you would feel differently. (The same could be said of your views on 9/11.)

I do not deny that many died

Hmm, sounds like you are backing off your assertion that only "a million or two" Jews perished.

According to the "hvp" link they are still going to withhold the records from scholars, and that means more hiding and more cover up and more opinions mis-used as facts.

You are making the scholars sound as sloppy as you; in fact, the majority of scholars, unlike yourself, use facts whenever possible, and when they do make a guess or lay out an opinion it's an educated one. Thousands of scholars from many fields have studied the Holocaust over the past few decades, and all the honest ones have arrived at approximately the same conclusions.

 

[MMDad]

But on the concentration camps and the final solution the sources are full of emotional rhetoric and few hard facts.

Columbia University President Lee Bollinger today:

He said Ahmadinejad's denial of the Holocaust might fool the illiterate and ignorant.

"When you come to a place like this it makes you simply ridiculous," Bollinger said. "The truth is that the Holocaust is the most documented event in human history."

Jimmy, you and Ahmadinejad have one thing in common: you are both nutty as a fruit cake. But Ahmad can get elected, while you, of course, cannot.

 

[This_person]

Columbia University President Lee Bollinger today:



Jimmy, you and Ahmadinejad have one thing in common: you are both nutty as a fruit cake. But Ahmad can get elected, while you, of course, cannot.

Any word on the fate of drunky-loser junior?

 

[hvp05]

Jimmy, you and Ahmadinejad have one thing in common: you are both nutty as a fruit cake.

Expounding on that, I could not help but compare Ahmadinejad to our very own JPC as I listened to the news this afternoon. Both live in a fantasy world where they are superior and always correct; both claim to be a self-taught "scholar"; and both ignore facts put before them, and if they do address an argument, the opponent's points are irrecognizably distorted.

Case in point, Pres. Bollinger called Ahmadinejad's perspective on the Holocaust "astonishingly uneducated", and, generally, labeled him a "petty and cruel dictator."

In response, Ahmadinejad said...
Mr. Bollinger made "many insults and claims that were incorrect."

"I think the text read by the dear gentleman here, more than addressing me, was an insult to information and the knowledge of the audience here, present here," Mr. Ahmadinejad said. "Many parts of his speech, there were many insults and claims that were incorrect, regretfully."

Does that not sound like a JPC-type response?

But Ahmad can get elected, while you, of course, cannot.

That's because Ahmadinejad is a clever liar, and JPC is... well...

 

[MMDad]

Any word on the fate of drunky-loser junior?

Nothing on the court case site yet.