How two U.S. Navy F-14s shot down two Su-22s

nhboy

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"One year ago today, Tony Scott, the famous director of “Top Gun”, chose to commit suicide.

But Aug. 19 was an important date for the Tomcat community, because that day in 1981 US Navy F-14s were employed for the first time in an air to air combat.

For better understanding the facts that led to the downing of two Gaddafi Su-22 Fitter we have to recall the political situation that increased the tension between USA and Libya.

When in 1974 Colonel Gaddafi declared territory of the Libyan Arab Republic the waters below 32° 30’, violating the international laws, the U.S. only response was an ignored official protest.

Even when six years later an American reconnaissance aircraft was attacked in the zone, President Carter ordered the Sixth Fleet to stay away from the area.

When Reagan succeeded to Carter, things changed. In fact he ordered the Navy to conduct the “Freedom of Navigation” (FON) exercises which culminated in the Open Ocean Missile Exercise (OOMC).

Conducted in August 1981 by USS Forrestal (CV-59) and by USS Nimitz (CVN-68), this training had the aim to show Tripoli that America was serious about its right to project its naval power in international waters.

The rules of engagement (ROE) stated that to protect his assets the on-scene commander could take any necessary action without waiting for a clearance from a higher authority. For fighter pilots this meant “do not fire until fired upon.”

Against the US Navy, Libya could deploy modern and powerful fighters and fighter bombers such as the Soviet-built Su-22 Fitter, MiG-23 Flogger, the Mach 3 interceptor MiG-25 Foxbat and the French-made Mirage F.1 and 5D."

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"Anyway, the dogfight between the Tomcats and Fitters marked the first use in combat of the F-14 and it was the first air-to-air combat between swing wings fighters.

And one more thing is remarkable. The time you have spent reading this article is much more than how long the dogfight lasted: no more than 45 seconds from when Libyans shot the missile to the downing of the second Fitter."
 

b23hqb

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Wasn't the POTUS that ordered such action Ronaldus Reagan? Your favorite sugar daddy?

Or were you still just a gleam in your pre-Commodore 64, punch-card data data inventors eye?
 

aps45819

24/7 Single Dad
Good times :yay:

We had a president that said "Fu@k Kadaffi, send the Navy to the Gulf of Sirte". Navy shows up and went "We crossed your line of death, we crossed your line of death"
:tantrum

Now we've got a coward that wants to "Lead from behind"
 

h3mech

Active Member
i was there, i remember the pilots got out of the cockpit to back slapping and high fives. the ground crew painted two Su-22 on the tails of the planes. good times
 
i was there, i remember the pilots got out of the cockpit to back slapping and high fives. the ground crew painted two Su-22 on the tails of the planes. good times

Me too! That was the one and only "for real" GQ I ever had! When GQ sounded some folks were freakin out. The skipper had come on the 1MC a few days prior and said we would have no drills for the next week. IF anything happened it would be the real thing.
 

h3mech

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Me too! That was the one and only "for real" GQ I ever had! When GQ sounded some folks were freakin out. The skipper had come on the 1MC a few days prior and said we would have no drills for the next week. IF anything happened it would be the real thing.

after they came back on board, we were in the line shack on the bow, some young fella came on the 1MC and said like he was Scared "now man all air defense stations" we said to each other sound like he is calling general quarters, a few second later he said "general quarters" at that point one of the FIDs (USS Forrestal) F-4s pop up in front of our bow, we thought there we more su-22 but it was one of ours
 

b23hqb

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I was in the Navy reserves when the incident happened. I was at work, when my boss came to me with a phone call from my reserve unit. It was a "recall phone drill". When I returned, the boss asked me what that was all about. I told him it was a reserve recall and the bombing in Libya begins in about 15 minutes. 20 minutes later, the news broke.

The look on my boss's face when he came up to me a few minutes later was priceless.

I had no idea what was going to happen, but for a good while people at work were watching me wondering who the heck this guy really is.....

Pretty funny.
 
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edinsomd

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I was in Sigonella on my first P-3 deployment. We were on the "Combat Ready", briefed and with four Mk-46 warshot torpedoes loaded in the bomb bay, waiting for Kadaffi's submarines to sortie.

They stayed in port, dammit.
 

DoWhat

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PREMO Member
I was in Sigonella on my first P-3 deployment. We were on the "Combat Ready", briefed and with four Mk-46 warshot torpedoes loaded in the bomb bay, waiting for Kadaffi's submarines to sortie.

They stayed in port, dammit.

Damn P-3 can't even find a sub, so what are they going to try and hit with a torpedo?

Now we have the P-8, which is even more useless.
 

edinsomd

New Member
Damn P-3 can't even find a sub, so what are they going to try and hit with a torpedo?

Now we have the P-8, which is even more useless.

:razz:

Oh, I managed to surprise quite a few. :whistle:

P-8's still in test, so the accusation is a bit unfair.
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
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The RIO (back seater in the Tomcat) is alive and well. And is running the F-35 program.
Navy.mil Leadership Biographies



Fleet tours include VF-41 as an F-14 Tomcat radar intercept officer embarked in USS Nimitz. He wears the distinguished Flying Cross for action in VF-41. After redesignation as a naval aviator he flew with VF-143 as an F-14 pilot embarked in USS Dwight D. Eisenhower and with VF-101 at NAS Oceana as a Tomcat instructor pilot and A-4 adversary pilot.


He was later with the Pukin' Dogs. Interesting!
 
I was in Sigonella on my first P-3 deployment. We were on the "Combat Ready", briefed and with four Mk-46 warshot torpedoes loaded in the bomb bay, waiting for Kadaffi's submarines to sortie.

They stayed in port, dammit.

Ed, you can't be "On the tip of the spear" while sipping umbrella drinks on the beach at Sig! You gotta be haze gray and underway shipmate! :buddies:
 
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czygvtwkr

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Damn P-3 can't even find a sub, so what are they going to try and hit with a torpedo?

Now we have the P-8, which is even more useless.

I miss seeing the old 55 gallon drum depth charges, does the Navy still have any of those?
 

b23hqb

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PREMO Member
I was in Sigonella on my first P-3 deployment. We were on the "Combat Ready", briefed and with four Mk-46 warshot torpedoes loaded in the bomb bay, waiting for Kadaffi's submarines to sortie.

They stayed in port, dammit.

My son flys on the P-3 today. He is a newly promoted LT, and just returned early from his first deployment as designated Mission Commander on missions all over the Mid East and Afghanistan, again. He is stationed at NAS Whidbey with VQ-1 "Worldwatchers" on the electronic intel side.
 

edinsomd

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Ed, you can't be "On the tip of the spear" while sipping umbrella drinks on the beach at Sig! You gotta be haze gray and underway shipmate! :buddies:

Been there done that- LAMPS Mk I helo crewman on small-boys about a thousand years ago.

Never saw no beach at Sig, but I did see lots of per diem checks.:patriot:
 

edinsomd

New Member
My son flys on the P-3 today. He is a newly promoted LT, and just returned early from his first deployment as designated Mission Commander on missions all over the Mid East and Afghanistan, again. He is stationed at NAS Whidbey with VQ-1 "Worldwatchers" on the electronic intel side.

:buddies:
 
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