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BattleMonK

New Member
It has been my interest on providing the most informed and accurate information concerning contractors providing these services in our area as well as homeowner information on issues with their own systems. Please feel free to post questions, comments and any information from your perspective as a consumer about these topics and you will obtain any feedback I can give. Please ensure not to slander by any means if you are posting about your experience with a certain contractor, only state the facts.
 
It has been my interest on providing the most informed and accurate information concerning contractors providing these services in our area as well as homeowner information on issues with their own systems. Please feel free to post questions, comments and any information from your perspective as a consumer about these topics and you will obtain any feedback I can give. Please ensure not to slander by any means if you are posting about your experience with a certain contractor, only state the facts.

What are your qualifications?
 

BattleMonK

New Member
I am a consumer. That is the only qualification anyone needs to post here. Hopefully we can help one another through this thread and it will be open to anyone who needs the help.
 

Joebagel

New Member
B&E Contracting is great. They promptly returned my call, showed up right when they said they would and didn't try to sell me anything i didn't need. Also were very honest about everything I asked and didn't just tell me what I wanted to hear. :dye:
 

ohstate

Member
We will be buying a new system in the near future. I believe our furnace is undersized for the house and does not have enough ducts running to certain areas (for example, even though the basement is finished, there are no duct outlets or returns there, so it is basically unheated in the winter. Additionally, it is quite old and was not properly installed. The drain pan isn't level, so water collects in it and does not drain properly. I am also looking into having my duct work professionally cleaned.

What are some of the things to look for in selecting my next furnace/heat pump combination? We are currently all electric and would need to have a tank installed if we wanted to run on propane. I'd like to get something that is more energy efficient than our current system and is sized properly.

Is there a good resource where I can start this research?
 

KingFish

Nothing to see here
What about Geothermal units? Is one brand better then another? I have not found any comparison data to show one outlasts another brand.
 
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toppick08

Guest
Great Mills Heating and Cooling have always been my folks...:yay:
 

Baja28

Obama destroyed America
What are your qualifications?
I am a consumer. That is the only qualification anyone needs to post here. Hopefully we can help one another through this thread and it will be open to anyone who needs the help.
Very good question Kwillia! :clap:

Very poor answer Monk. :boo:

I was excited when I saw his original post but as far as I'm concerned now, he's the guy who washes the trucks for an HVAC contractor.
 

dn0121

New Member
We will be buying a new system in the near future. I believe our furnace is undersized for the house and does not have enough ducts running to certain areas (for example, even though the basement is finished, there are no duct outlets or returns there, so it is basically unheated in the winter. Additionally, it is quite old and was not properly installed. The drain pan isn't level, so water collects in it and does not drain properly. I am also looking into having my duct work professionally cleaned.

What are some of the things to look for in selecting my next furnace/heat pump combination? We are currently all electric and would need to have a tank installed if we wanted to run on propane. I'd like to get something that is more energy efficient than our current system and is sized properly.

Is there a good resource where I can start this research?

No matter what make sure you get a Manual J done. I spent 2 months researching after my AC unit needed replacing. I interviewed 5 (I think) different HVAC companies in this area. All have been mentioned on this board. The one I chose did the Manual J, answered all my questions, and was very good about it. He ended up bringing his whole crew to do the install to get it done as fast as possible.

The 4 I didn't choose wanted to replace the unit with the same size, or bigger unit. This is a big problem because the original unit was over sized and caused it to loose efficiency.

Check out these two forums

Residential HVAC - HVAC-Talk: Heating, Air & Refrigeration Discussion

Heat Pumps and Electric Heating - DoItYourself.com Community Forums

and this maybe helpful for comparing fuel costs.

WarmAir.net - Fuel Cost Comparisons
 

ohstate

Member
No matter what make sure you get a Manual J done. I spent 2 months researching after my AC unit needed replacing. I interviewed 5 (I think) different HVAC companies in this area. All have been mentioned on this board. The one I chose did the Manual J, answered all my questions, and was very good about it. He ended up bringing his whole crew to do the install to get it done as fast as possible.

The 4 I didn't choose wanted to replace the unit with the same size, or bigger unit. This is a big problem because the original unit was over sized and caused it to loose efficiency.

Check out these two forums

Residential HVAC - HVAC-Talk: Heating, Air & Refrigeration Discussion

Heat Pumps and Electric Heating - DoItYourself.com Community Forums

and this maybe helpful for comparing fuel costs.

WarmAir.net - Fuel Cost Comparisons

Thanks for the info! I'm doing research now. Maybe a new unit next year (assuming this one doesn't die).
 

camily

Peace
Very good question Kwillia! :clap:

Very poor answer Monk. :boo:

I was excited when I saw his original post but as far as I'm concerned now, he's the guy who washes the trucks for an HVAC contractor.

Excited? That made me laugh to think of you getting all giddy when you see a thread topic. :lol:
 

BattleMonK

New Member
We will be buying a new system in the near future. I believe our furnace is undersized for the house and does not have enough ducts running to certain areas (for example, even though the basement is finished, there are no duct outlets or returns there, so it is basically unheated in the winter. Additionally, it is quite old and was not properly installed. The drain pan isn't level, so water collects in it and does not drain properly. I am also looking into having my duct work professionally cleaned.

What are some of the things to look for in selecting my next furnace/heat pump combination? We are currently all electric and would need to have a tank installed if we wanted to run on propane. I'd like to get something that is more energy efficient than our current system and is sized properly.

Is there a good resource where I can start this research?
yes although this site is more for the professional than the consumer...
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So long as you don't say you are a homeowner or consumer, they will provide all the knowledge you will ever need, and it is coming from everyday people that either own their own business or are in the trade. Good luck
 
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BattleMonK

New Member
What about Geothermal units? Is one brand better then another? I have not found any comparison data to show one outlasts another brand.

I gather by most companies I've spoken to about the matter that the premier brand is "Waterfurnace." I don't know why but they say they have the least troubles with them. I guess it has something to do with warranty issues.
 

BattleMonK

New Member
No matter what make sure you get a Manual J done. I spent 2 months researching after my AC unit needed replacing. I interviewed 5 (I think) different HVAC companies in this area. All have been mentioned on this board. The one I chose did the Manual J, answered all my questions, and was very good about it. He ended up bringing his whole crew to do the install to get it done as fast as possible.

The 4 I didn't choose wanted to replace the unit with the same size, or bigger unit. This is a big problem because the original unit was over sized and caused it to loose efficiency.

Check out these two forums

Residential HVAC - HVAC-Talk: Heating, Air & Refrigeration Discussion

Heat Pumps and Electric Heating - DoItYourself.com Community Forums

and this maybe helpful for comparing fuel costs.

WarmAir.net - Fuel Cost Comparisons

Okay time to boast my technical knowledge since some have doubts...

Is the system Manual J designed, and for what parameter? Did they ask for such info as window specs., floorplans, home orientation, building materials, or dimensions? Did he/she give the the load calculation report? Because salesman are good at sniffing out that you want a bigger unit or a smaller one even though it's not needed. A Basic 13 SEER Unit must operate for 30 mins before it even achieves its 13 SEER rating, did you know that? If they undersized your unit you will only achieve inefficiency and that will lead to more serious issues like a sick house.

Manual S reports should follow a load calc. and will designate the proper equipment size. Did they provide a report of this to ensure that they selected the proper size?

So let's say they did give all that to you, now after the replacement did they replace the entire trunkline (including all sheet metal supplying all the air for the system) to compensate for the lesser amount of air moving through the system? If they did replace ductwork did they use the manual D method? If not then you have a poorly designed duct system that will not perform correctly with the smaller unit they just installed and you will lose efficiency. As we know that = $.

Okay so lets say they did all of the above. Now you have a brand new system supposedly designed and installed correctly, now where's the proof? Do you have all of the paper work to prove it? Its your house and its the only way to know for sure.

Oh, so they did give you all the paperwork including all the reports? Well did you get a second opinion on the hard copy evidence you have to prove that everything was done correctly?

These are the things consumers need to know. Salesman are salesman because they are good at what they do. Your only protection is education and knowledge of whatever the project is you have them out there for. I agree with you on the research part and you did a good job, but don't be so sure the one you used was doing it correctly either unless you know for sure how to do it yourself, or you have researched it.

Engineers don't waste time at a desk writing designs and books on how to properly do stuff for no reason.
 

dn0121

New Member
Okay time to boast my technical knowledge since some have doubts...

1.Is the system Manual J designed, and for what parameter? Did they ask for such info as window specs., floorplans, home orientation, building materials, or dimensions?

2.Did he/she give the the load calculation report? Because salesman are good at sniffing out that you want a bigger unit or a smaller one even though it's not needed.

3.A Basic 13 SEER Unit must operate for 30 mins before it even achieves its 13 SEER rating, did you know that? If they undersized your unit you will only achieve inefficiency and that will lead to more serious issues like a sick house.

4. Manual S reports should follow a load calc. and will designate the proper equipment size. Did they provide a report of this to ensure that they selected the proper size?

5. So let's say they did give all that to you, now after the replacement did they replace the entire trunkline (including all sheet metal supplying all the air for the system) to compensate for the lesser amount of air moving through the system? If they did replace ductwork did they use the manual D method? If not then you have a poorly designed duct system that will not perform correctly with the smaller unit they just installed and you will lose efficiency. As we know that = $.

6. Okay so lets say they did all of the above. Now you have a brand new system supposedly designed and installed correctly, now where's the proof? Do you have all of the paper work to prove it? Its your house and its the only way to know for sure.

Oh, so they did give you all the paperwork including all the reports? Well did you get a second opinion on the hard copy evidence you have to prove that everything was done correctly?

These are the things consumers need to know. Salesman are salesman because they are good at what they do. Your only protection is education and knowledge of whatever the project is you have them out there for. I agree with you on the research part and you did a good job, but don't be so sure the one you used was doing it correctly either unless you know for sure how to do it yourself, or you have researched it.

Engineers don't waste time at a desk writing designs and books on how to properly do stuff for no reason.

1-4 & 6 yes, 5 yes some, the rest I got bored with. No I didn't use a salesman, yes I had it tested, yes I have proof, yes I added insulation to my attic, yes I know that seers mean shiat to anyone who knows anything, yes and yes to whatever you want to ask. Good questions too, Im guessing you were bored or needed to feel important.

Educated consumer know how to sniff out a salesman which is why I was able to get what I needed after interviewing the amount of people I did, at a price that was reasonable, with a top notch installation.

Do your homework and ask questions that mean something.
 

solidsison

New Member
1-4 & 6 yes, 5 yes some, the rest I got bored with. No I didn't use a salesman, yes I had it tested, yes I have proof, yes I added insulation to my attic, yes I know that seers mean shiat to anyone who knows anything, yes and yes to whatever you want to ask. Good questions too, Im guessing you were bored or needed to feel important.

Educated consumer know how to sniff out a salesman which is why I was able to get what I needed after interviewing the amount of people I did, at a price that was reasonable, with a top notch installation.

Do your homework and ask questions that mean something.

Wow I'm impressed with Monk's knowledge. He'w just trying to help you out and you ack like a dick. If you dont want feedback then don't post, go else where.
 

dn0121

New Member
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I meant the consumers need to do their homework and ask questions not monk. His post was good. My bad for the way I typed it I guess.
 
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