Hydrogen power
- Thread starter Gilligan
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Can't no politicians get rich off of hydrogen power.
LightRoasted
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Will it produce it's own hydrogen aboard ship, or need to be fueled at port?
Will it produce it's own hydrogen aboard ship, or need to be fueled at port?
glhs837
Power with Control
Correct me if I'm wrong, but nobody has a commercially profitable process for hydrogen production yet, do they? I mean for rocket fuel sure, but not lesser forms of transport.
The only process I ever saw that made sense was, using something like excess power to create it - not saying I understand it well, but I do know that power plants have to balance demand against what they deliver, and often, they create more power than the demand. One scheme I saw said, rather than waste it as heat, just redirect it to make hydrogen.
I am probably not explaining it well, but that was the gist of it.
Sneakers
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BWI had a hydrogen depot for airport vehicles for a long time. Not exactly commercial, but it was production use. Been replaced with electric.
black dog
Free America
A few years back I did some work in Walmarts Gas City, IN Distribution Center and all of there different rolling stock ( fork trucks ) ran on hydrogen.
glhs837
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I do have to wonder since that is a government-run service. I don't think profit is a consideration.
So looking into that they source their hydrogen and the fuel cell vehicles that run on them from a company called plug power that has been in business for 23 years and is only a report of profit in one quarter ever. Now maybe they're sinking whatever they do. Make back into expanding the market but how long can they do that before they have to fold?
Yeah I saw that one years ago when a buddy was talking up the Toyota sedan that runs on a fuel cell. I think it was the only one I could find on the whole East Coast. And those Toyota cars. I think they're giving them away for $15,000 with another 15,000 in fuel credits and I think they've only ever sold like 10,000 of them in like 8 years.
No more than a nationwide EV charging network. But just like that, if its mandated it will happen, right?
LightRoasted
If I may ...
For your consideration ...
Very interesting. So they don't actually use the hydrogen as a combustible as in a piston driven engine, but instead convert it into electricity to power an electric motor. Now that is a pretty neat trick. I wonder when this can be applied to automobiles, such as in a Tesla?
"A Ballard fuel cell operates by using a Proton Exchange Membrane (PEM) to split hydrogen molecules into protons and electrons at the anode, where the electrons are then forced through an external circuit to generate electricity, while the protons travel through the membrane to the cathode where they combine with oxygen from the air to produce water and heat; essentially, it converts chemical energy from hydrogen and oxygen into electricity through an electrochemical reaction, with the only byproduct being water."
Very interesting. So they don't actually use the hydrogen as a combustible as in a piston driven engine, but instead convert it into electricity to power an electric motor. Now that is a pretty neat trick. I wonder when this can be applied to automobiles, such as in a Tesla?
"A Ballard fuel cell operates by using a Proton Exchange Membrane (PEM) to split hydrogen molecules into protons and electrons at the anode, where the electrons are then forced through an external circuit to generate electricity, while the protons travel through the membrane to the cathode where they combine with oxygen from the air to produce water and heat; essentially, it converts chemical energy from hydrogen and oxygen into electricity through an electrochemical reaction, with the only byproduct being water."
glhs837
Power with Control
But Tesla built one on its own dime that's been making money all along. Not just nationwide but worldwide
I'm good with that. He used his own money, not taxpayer money. If only all EVs could use it.
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They can. It's been opened up to many other makes as long as you have a compatible connector.
There is a lot of work going on in the marine power sector to employ hydrogen power technologies. And related to that...for creating "storage" solutions to captured excess offshore wind power output as hydrogen for release through turbines or similar when wind energy is down. Not much here in the US..but our business is not here in the US anyway, so...
glhs837
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Aluminum reacts with water to give off hydrogen. The only problem is that it forms an aluminum oxide coating that inhibits the reaction, this is eliminated by mixing the aluminum with gallium first.
Easy aluminum nanoparticles for rapid, efficient hydrogen generation from water
For years, researchers have tried to find efficient and cost-effective ways to harness the extreme reactivity of aluminum to generate clean hydrogen fuel. A new study shows that an easily produced composite of gallium and aluminum creates aluminum nanoparticles that react rapidly with water at...
www.sciencedaily.com
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glhs837
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Aluminum reacts with water to give off hydrogen. The only problem is that it forms an aluminum oxide coating that inhibits the reaction, this is eliminated by mixing the aluminum with gallium first.
Easy aluminum nanoparticles for rapid, efficient hydrogen generation from water
For years, researchers have tried to find efficient and cost-effective ways to harness the extreme reactivity of aluminum to generate clean hydrogen fuel. A new study shows that an easily produced composite of gallium and aluminum creates aluminum nanoparticles that react rapidly with water at...www.sciencedaily.com
Here's the nerd view
We'll see. There is always this.