I’ll Say It: Elizabeth Warren Isn’t Likeable

Grumpy

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Not sure the Republican's will ever win on an argument about people drinking out of a bottle....

Thats really beside the point, but you knew that. You watched that the Warren vid and swallowed it whole, or did you think it was as contrived as I thought it was??
 

truby20

Fighting like a girl
Thats really beside the point, but you knew that. You watched that the Warren vid and swallowed it whole, or did you think it was as contrived as I thought it was??

Which one? Her instagram live feed? She literally set up an iPhone and broadcast to the world, it turned out same as if my mom did it. It was awkward, clunky, and confusing. But it was rare for someone like her to do something like that. That is the video the beer scene is from and her introducing her husband. That bizarre video BOP posted mocking it probably took a day to edit.

I thought her video announcing her exploratory committee was pretty good, maybe a bit long though. But that was professional video.
 

Grumpy

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Which one? Her instagram live feed? She literally set up an iPhone and broadcast to the world, it turned out same as if my mom did it. It was awkward, clunky, and confusing. But it was rare for someone like her to do something like that. That is the video the beer scene is from and her introducing her husband. That bizarre video BOP posted mocking it probably took a day to edit.

I thought her video announcing her exploratory committee was pretty good, maybe a bit long though. But that was professional video.

Okay..but I wasn't talking about the vid BOP posted. I saw the original. Of course it was all that you said, but (IMO) she jumped the shark with the beer segment. Thanks for responding.
 

vraiblonde

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Okay..but I wasn't talking about the vid BOP posted. I saw the original. Of course it was all that you said, but (IMO) she jumped the shark with the beer segment. Thanks for responding.

It was her Hillary hot sauce moment. True believers will gush over it, everyone else will roll their eyes.
 

Grumpy

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It was her Hillary hot sauce moment. True believers will gush over it, everyone else will roll their eyes.

Agreed but I'm sure some on the left cringed at it..It's trying too hard to be something you're not. Unlike Trump, he doesn't care if he is the biggest ass in the room, he's true to himself and that resonates(IMO). I may not care for his personality but he's exactly what's needed at this point in time for this country.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Which one? Her instagram live feed? She literally set up an iPhone and broadcast to the world, it turned out same as if my mom did it. It was awkward, clunky, and confusing. But it was rare for someone like her to do something like that. That is the video the beer scene is from and her introducing her husband. That bizarre video BOP posted mocking it probably took a day to edit.

I thought her video announcing her exploratory committee was pretty good, maybe a bit long though. But that was professional video.

So, do you really feel that was a sincere moment, where she said to herself, maybe if people saw the real me, popping the cap off a Michelob Ultra? I see it as some really badly given advice from a young intern type, poorly executed. Again, it's about sincerity and trying to be soemthing you are not. You are a Harvard professor, not a person who casually pops a Michelob. Down to the clinking sound when she fetches it.
 

truby20

Fighting like a girl
Agreed but I'm sure some on the left cringed at it..It's trying too hard to be something you're not. Unlike Trump, he doesn't care if he is the biggest ass in the room, he's true to himself and that resonates(IMO). I may not care for his personality but he's exactly what's needed at this point in time for this country.

She's finding her footing on a national level...

Two years ago she was trying to punch back at Trump with all that "nasty woman" talk:

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2016/10/...will-vote-trump-out-of-our-lives-forever.html

That didn't work for her, she doesn't address him directly much anymore.

I don't think we'll see too many more instagram live feeds from her. I'm looking forward to the debates, I think she'll do well. But who knows who will come out from it, Trump was the obvious winner in his and that definitely wasn't obvious when the debates started.

I also really like Amy Klobuchar, I hope she runs.
 

vraiblonde

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I honestly can't think of a single Democrat woman I like. They're all either shrews or bitches or dumber than rocks. Then you have the ones who speak like kindergarten teachers - Kirstin Gillibrand, for example. Mazie Hirono is a twofer - a bitchy kindergarten teacher.

At least Republican women sound like real people when they speak and don't talk down to their audience.
 

This_person

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At least Republican women ... don't talk down to their audience.

This, to me, is a key difference between right and left. The right tries to reason and offers freedoms, reasonable restrictions on people hurting other people in tangible ways, and assumes competent citizens who are all equals. The left scolds, acts righteous, "takes from you for the good of all", etc., and assumes some people need help to be equal to others (thus, proving they do not think all are equals).
 

Chris0nllyn

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It's demonstrably true. Any person paying attention believes it.

Why do you think Democrat politicians default to emotion and hysteria and name-calling?

It's demonstrably not true. In fact, trying to fit people into this mold of party=____ is silly. You can't simply say "people on the right are better than people on the left". That's ridiculous and close-minded.

The left didn't try making legislation trying to stop gay people from marrying. The lady who refused to issue a marriage license to a gay couple...was she a Democrat? The left didn't create the Patriot Act (and everything that comes with it) and limit the freedoms of all Americans.

If the right assumed competent citizens are all equals, why continue to fight a war on drugs? If they assume everyone is equal and competent, why not allow them to put in their bodies what they wish?

If the right believed in freedom, why criminalize protests? Why protest and bomb Planned Parenthoods? Why ban bump stocks?

I get that you have an issue with the left. They certainly have their issues as well and I'm not excusing them, but the idea that the right=good and left=bad is nothing more than hyper-partisan bull####.
 

Hijinx

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It's demonstrably not true. In fact, trying to fit people into this mold of party=____ is silly. You can't simply say "people on the right are better than people on the left". That's ridiculous and close-minded.

The left didn't try making legislation trying to stop gay people from marrying. The lady who refused to issue a marriage license to a gay couple...was she a Democrat? The left didn't create the Patriot Act (and everything that comes with it) and limit the freedoms of all Americans.

If the right assumed competent citizens are all equals, why continue to fight a war on drugs? If they assume everyone is equal and competent, why not allow them to put in their bodies what they wish?

If the right believed in freedom, why criminalize protests? Why protest and bomb Planned Parenthoods? Why ban bump stocks?

I get that you have an issue with the left. They certainly have their issues as well and I'm not excusing them, but the idea that the right=good and left=bad is nothing more than hyper-partisan bull####.

When was the last PP bombed?
 

vraiblonde

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You can't simply say "people on the right are better than people on the left".

Sure you can. TP simply pointed out what the politicians themselves say and how they present themselves. If you think the reasoned and rational side is better, that's who you should support. As it stands, you indicate often that you side with the emotional and irrational, so clearly you think that approach is "better".

If the right assumed competent citizens are all equals, why continue to fight a war on drugs?
Because your desire to do drugs costs the taxpayers money and perpetuates criminal activity in the form of assault, robberies, and other crimes of that nature.

If they assume everyone is equal and competent, why not allow them to put in their bodies what they wish?
Because they become a public nuisance and others have rights too.

If the right believed in freedom, why criminalize protests?
See above. Because they become a public nuisance and others have rights too.

Why protest and bomb Planned Parenthoods?
Yeah, the government does that every day. :rolleyes:

Why ban bump stocks?
That was a cave to the Democrats. It was supposed to be part of a compromise (that the Democrats reneged on).

Regardless, my comment was in general and not meant to be absolute and 100%. If you were a thinking person, you'd have brought up same-sex marriage and abortion rights. THOSE are issues where the GOP likes to step on individual freedom. And you'll note that people like me put a stop to that. The folks on the Right don't allow their politicians to overreach, nor do we let the extremist crazies take over. The Left, on the other hand....

That was fun. What else ya got?
 

This_person

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It's demonstrably not true. In fact, trying to fit people into this mold of party=____ is silly. You can't simply say "people on the right are better than people on the left". That's ridiculous and close-minded.

I didn't say anything about party.

The left didn't try making legislation trying to stop gay people from marrying.

Neither did the right. The right tried to say same-sex unions are not the same as opposite-sex unions, and therefore the government should recognize the difference with some perquisites, as the latter is socially stabilizing. No one - not a single person on the right - has ever tried to outlaw same-sex people from "marrying", just governmental recognition of the union as an equal status to legally-recognized marriage.

The lady who refused to issue a marriage license to a gay couple...was she a Democrat?

No, she was a Republican trying to uphold the law in the face of public statements.

The left didn't create the Patriot Act (and everything that comes with it) and limit the freedoms of all Americans.

Neither did the right.

If the right assumed competent citizens are all equals, why continue to fight a war on drugs? If they assume everyone is equal and competent, why not allow them to put in their bodies what they wish?

Because it has been outlawed. The point is to change the laws, not ignore them because some disagree. That takes logical arguments against things like the drastic social impacts of drug use.

Now, if we are willing to deny supplemental government (taxpayer) funding of food, medical treatment, unemployment payments, etc., etc., to those who choose to partake of drugs (or, the vast majority of people really), then I would be happy to fight with you that "what you do to yourself is your right" because it would be followed with "your responsibility" to continue to feed, house, and care for your needs.

If the right believed in freedom, why criminalize protests?

that's not "the right".

Why protest and bomb Planned Parenthoods?

Well, "protest" and "bomb" are vastly different things, don't you think? I mean, isn't it grossly negligent to even combine them in the same question?

But, to "protest" someone killing someone else seems pretty reasonable. Bombing seems extreme, and wrong.

Why ban bump stocks?

Again, no one is in favor of this on the right.

I get that you have an issue with the left. They certainly have their issues as well and I'm not excusing them, but the idea that the right=good and left=bad is nothing more than hyper-partisan bull####.

No, constitutional conservatism (the right) is a good thing, and socialism/communism (the left) is a bad thing. People espousing the latter over the former are bad for the nation, the former over the latter good for the nation.
 
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Chris0nllyn

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I didn't say anything about party.

Tell ya what.

Go make a poll on this very forum and ask "Are you on the right", then ask "what party do you vote for".

I still think that catergorizing people into 2 political categories based on behavior is wrong.
 
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