I fell in love today

[krazd_kat]

not all are bad, but when they do eff up they cause a lot more damage than a lab, corgi or a poodle. It is niave to think that you can be in complete control of a dog and predict what it will do, especially a pit....

the fact of the matter is that some dogs are vicious, and some breeds tend to be more so then not.

You can have just as much control of a pit as you can any breed - IT'S OWNER TRAINING that makes the difference. The problem as you point out is the damage they can do. I have seen a number of dogs more vicious than a pit, they just can't do the damage.

84.3% of Pits tested with the ATT passed the test
81.7% of the Cocker Spaniels
79.4% collies
69.2% Lhasa Apso

All Dogs Bite

One thing we can all agree on, the proponents of pits will doubtfully change our minds (as we will admit not all pits are good) like the opponents will rarely change theirs until they have an opportunity to be around one.

 

[tommyjones]

You can have just as much control of a pit as you can any breed - IT'S OWNER TRAINING that makes the difference. The problem as you point out is the damage they can do. I have seen a number of dogs more vicious than a pit, they just can't do the damage.

84.3% of Pits tested with the ATT passed the test
81.7% of the Cocker Spaniels
79.4% collies
69.2% Lhasa Apso

All Dogs Bite

One thing we can all agree on, the proponents of pits will doubtfully change our minds (as we will admit not all pits are good) like the opponents will rarely change theirs until they have an opportunity to be around one.

the analogy that makes sense to me is the one of a loaded gun. A pit is like having a loaded .44 that can choose to go off anytime it wants laying around your home. A lhasa Apso is like having a straw with a spitball in it laying around.......

either could go off at any time, but the spitball isn't going to kill anything

 

[krazd_kat]

can choose to go off anytime it wants

And that's where we will continue to disagree. I will agree with the damage that can be caused. A pit with the right temperment, training and RESPECT for it's owner can and will be a loving companion till it dies.

 

[frequentflier]

I'll only wear the SPOT suit if I get to chase my tail around.
Hey - like I explained before, already did a pink gorrilla, can't imagine a dog suit could be worse.
The wife loved the Corgi themed memoriablia.

You could wear the pink gorilla outfit...it will really stop traffic!

 

[tommyjones]

And that's where we will continue to disagree. I will agree with the damage that can be caused. A pit with the right temperment, training and RESPECT for it's owner can and will be a loving companion till it dies.

being a loving companion doesn't mean that it couldn't go off at anytime. so the dog doesn't bite you or your family memeber, it usually doesn't. its more likely the kid chasing a ball past your yard or some lady jogging or walking her ####zu. either way, it can go off at anytime, and unlike the gun, it can chase down what it wants

and i'm not saying this is exclusive to pits. i have a friend who had a rot for about 9 years before it 'tripped' for lack of a better word, and sent him to the hospital to get about 50 stiches. Now i know you will say it was the owners fault, but i had been around that dog plenty, and it was completely friendly, love to play with other animals, good around kids, and was submissive to all people, until that day.

to each his own, just dont be niave, even the best trained dogs have a mind of their own.

 

[krazd_kat]

its more likely the kid chasing a ball past your yard or some lady jogging or walking her ####zu. either way, it can go off at anytime, and unlike the gun, it can chase down what it wants
.....
to each his own, just dont be niave, even the best trained dogs have a mind of their own.

That's why owner's of these dogs need to have fenced yards where the dogs are not outside unattended at any time. In a fenced yard the general public is not in danger of these dogs. That's the difference in the type's of owners, the one's that do not fence their yards, or think that an electric fence will keep their dogs contained should not own this type of dog, nor a Rottweiler, or any type of large dog.

A responsible owner keeps the general public as well as their dog safe.

Trust me I'm not naive about the danger these dogs present, but I still feel like most the danger comes from irresponsible or careless owners, not the dog itself.

I've also had Rottweilers for over 20 years, so I'm pretty familiar with them as well, and yes I also rescue them from shelters.

ANY dog can snap or trip but these dogs should not be sentenced to death just for being a "pit".

 

[tommyjones]

That's why owner's of these dogs need to have fenced yards where the dogs are not outside unattended at any time. In a fenced yard the general public is not in danger of these dogs. That's the difference in the type's of owners, the one's that do not fence their yards, or think that an electric fence will keep their dogs contained should not own this type of dog, nor a Rottweiler, or any type of large dog.

A responsible owner keeps the general public as well as their dog safe.

Trust me I'm not naive about the danger these dogs present, but I still feel like most the danger comes from irresponsible or careless owners, not the dog itself.

I've also had Rottweilers for over 20 years, so I'm pretty familiar with them as well, and yes I also rescue them from shelters.

ANY dog can snap or trip but these dogs should not be sentenced to death just for being a "pit".

see, people like to walk their dogs, and thats when problems happen for responsible dog owners of a vicious breed. remember that lady in cali who got mauled in the hall of her apartment? the owner had the dogs on a leash when they went off.......

 

[krazd_kat]

thats when problems happen for responsible dog owners of a vicious breed. remember that lady in cali who got mauled in the hall of her apartment? the owner had the dogs on a leash when they went off.......

Difference - TRAINING

The dogs in the Diane Whipple case were dangerous - reported by many people - this was NOT a responsible owner and they KNEW these dogs were dangerous, don't compare this case with other responsible owner's of these dogs:

Summary of testimony
Janet Coumbs was the first criminal trial witness. She was the former caretaker of the Presa Canario dogs that killed Whipple. She thought these dogs were dangerous in some ways but also that they were gentle.

David Moser is a neighbor who testified at the criminal trial that one of the dogs previously bit him, and that Noel saw it and said, "Hmmm, that's interesting."

Lynn Gaines is a professional dog walked who testified in the criminal trial that she told Noel to muzzle the dogs, and that he responded by calling her a vulgar name and told her to shut up.

Dr. Donald Martin is a veterinarian who testified in the criminal trial that he warned the defendants, in a letter, that the dogs were dangerous.​

Anyway, this thread is about someone that really liked the pit they met this weekend, I think any further discussion should go to a different thread.

 

[tommyjones]

Difference - TRAINING

The dogs in the Diane Whipple case were dangerous - reported by many people - this was NOT a responsible owner and they KNEW these dogs were dangerous, don't compare this case with other responsible owner's of these dogs:

Summary of testimony
Janet Coumbs was the first criminal trial witness. She was the former caretaker of the Presa Canario dogs that killed Whipple. She thought these dogs were dangerous in some ways but also that they were gentle.

David Moser is a neighbor who testified at the criminal trial that one of the dogs previously bit him, and that Noel saw it and said, "Hmmm, that's interesting."

Lynn Gaines is a professional dog walked who testified in the criminal trial that she told Noel to muzzle the dogs, and that he responded by calling her a vulgar name and told her to shut up.

Dr. Donald Martin is a veterinarian who testified in the criminal trial that he warned the defendants, in a letter, that the dogs were dangerous.​

Anyway, this thread is about someone that really liked the pit they met this weekend, I think any further discussion should go to a different thread.

well i am glad you think.....

but the fact is that just like you, that owner thought they were being a responsible pet owner. I mean they had the dogs on a leash....
besides, owners don't "hear" when outsiders tell them their precious is a dangerous dog ....
i mean we are talking in generalities and you wont conceed that they could be dangerous when they are leashed or fenced in....

 

[krazd_kat]

well i am glad you think.....
...
i mean we are talking in generalities and you wont conceed that they could be dangerous when they are leashed or fenced in....

No need to be rude ...

I did concede:

Trust me I'm not naive about the danger these dogs present, but I still feel like most the danger comes from irresponsible or careless owners, not the dog itself.
​

It's just my opinion differs from yours.

Good day.

 

[dawn]

I had a pit bull that I also saved from fighting, she was six months old when I got her and I will swear she was the ultimate best dog you could ask for. I would have trusted her with my son from the day I brought him home from the hospital. She very easily could have turned on me as she WAS a fighter, her parents were fighters and her grandparents were fighters, so it was in her blood. She welcomed cats in to our home, she also welcomed another dog in to our home. She was seriously the best dog you could have, and she was the poster child for what you are claiming (tommy).... that they can turn, if she wanted to I guess she could have, but as it was said earlier by the other poster, my dog also was a scardy cat, she didnt run and hide, but she did coward and in the ten years I had her, she only rasied her teeth at one person, and that person was the biggest loser in this world, dogs can sense bad, and she did. I would walk her at the amish market in charlotte hall, people had their kids come up and pet her all the time. I am sorry tommy but I have to disagree with you, maybe what you saw was because the owners of those dogs had a hidden agenda and did things behind closed doors to make the dogs aggressive, but since we have now had to put down two our dogs, I am almost ready for another dog and I truly think it will be another pit bull (it will be a resuce dog no matter what), but because of the temperment of my other pit bull I would love to have my son grow up with such a great loyal companion.

 

[tommyjones]

I had a pit bull that I also saved from fighting, she was six months old when I got her and I will swear she was the ultimate best dog you could ask for. I would have trusted her with my son from the day I brought him home from the hospital. She very easily could have turned on me as she WAS a fighter, her parents were fighters and her grandparents were fighters, so it was in her blood. She welcomed cats in to our home, she also welcomed another dog in to our home. She was seriously the best dog you could have, and she was the poster child for what you are claiming (tommy).... that they can turn, if she wanted to I guess she could have, but as it was said earlier by the other poster, my dog also was a scardy cat, she didnt run and hide, but she did coward and in the ten years I had her, she only rasied her teeth at one person, and that person was the biggest loser in this world, dogs can sense bad, and she did. I would walk her at the amish market in charlotte hall, people had their kids come up and pet her all the time. I am sorry tommy but I have to disagree with you, maybe what you saw was because the owners of those dogs had a hidden agenda and did things behind closed doors to make the dogs aggressive, but since we have now had to put down two our dogs, I am almost ready for another dog and I truly think it will be another pit bull (it will be a resuce dog no matter what), but because of the temperment of my other pit bull I would love to have my son grow up with such a great loyal companion.

so she did show aggression towards other people?

interesting that you dismiss your dog's aggression as the fault of the 'loser' and not that of the dog or yourself, considering all of you seem to think the owners are to blame when something happens.

the dogs i have known and have discussed here were all owned by balanced and responsible owners, yet these instancies still occured.

 

[dawn]

so she did show aggression towards other people?

interesting that you dismiss your dog's aggression as the fault of the 'loser' and not that of the dog or yourself, considering all of you seem to think the owners are to blame when something happens.

the dogs i have known and have discussed here were all owned by balanced and responsible owners, yet these instancies still occured.

This guy that she growled at was an animal abuser (literally), he has had animals taken from him because of what he does, one example was putting a rubber band around the dog balls becuase as a puppy the dog would "hump" things, so he thought it he made the dog hurt in the area, it would curtail the humping. That is only one thing he has done, there are many more and each time he would do something and I found out, I would make a call. So you know what, if that is the only person my dog ever showed aggression to, well I would not fault her for it.

 

[slik]

well i am glad you think.....

but the fact is that just like you, that owner thought they were being a responsible pet owner. I mean they had the dogs on a leash....
besides, owners don't "hear" when outsiders tell them their precious is a dangerous dog ....
i mean we are talking in generalities and you wont conceed that they could be dangerous when they are leashed or fenced in....

Well - Thanks for hijacking the thread.

Did that owner from california really think he was being responsible or was he just being a "badass" with his dogs ? He evidently heard the outsider when she told him they needed to be muzzled cause he called her a "vulgar" name and told her to shut up.
Our dictionary may be different but that sure doesn't sounds like responsible to me.

I agree pit bulls can be dangerous .... so can GSDs, Rottweilers, chows, cocker spanials and yes ...... even corgi's. Any dog can be made dangerous but I refuse to believe that dogs are inheritantly so. Medical conditions excluded.
You mentioned the woman in california, did you also read about the 6 week old infant mauled by a pomeranian (LA Times Oct 2000) ?
Any dog can be made dangerous.
I really believe you cannot look at an individual dog, recognize its breed, and then state whether or not it is going to attack.

Sounds like you may have had some unpleasant situations regarding certain breeds, I feel bad for you. Do you propose that any breed of dog that bites should be extinguished ?
I guess we can agree to disagree. I still think Polly is a great dog.

 

[tommyjones]

This guy that she growled at was an animal abuser (literally), he has had animals taken from him because of what he does, one example was putting a rubber band around the dog balls becuase as a puppy the dog would "hump" things, so he thought it he made the dog hurt in the area, it would curtail the humping. That is only one thing he has done, there are many more and each time he would do something and I found out, I would make a call. So you know what, if that is the only person my dog ever showed aggression to, well I would not fault her for it.

that is EXACTLY the kind of attitude expressed by the dog owners in cali.
As long as I dont like the person the dog is aggressive towards, then its ok.

Well that is just Effed. Not to mention that i think your little story is BS. How would your dog know this guy abused his pets anyway?

 

[tommyjones]

Well - Thanks for hijacking the thread.

Did that owner from california really think he was being responsible or was he just being a "badass" with his dogs ? He evidently heard the outsider when she told him they needed to be muzzled cause he called her a "vulgar" name and told her to shut up.
Our dictionary may be different but that sure doesn't sounds like responsible to me.

I agree pit bulls can be dangerous .... so can GSDs, Rottweilers, chows, cocker spanials and yes ...... even corgi's. Any dog can be made dangerous but I refuse to believe that dogs are inheritantly so. Medical conditions excluded.
You mentioned the woman in california, did you also read about the 6 week old infant mauled by a pomeranian (LA Times Oct 2000) ?
Any dog can be made dangerous.
I really believe you cannot look at an individual dog, recognize its breed, and then state whether or not it is going to attack.

Sounds like you may have had some unpleasant situations regarding certain breeds, I feel bad for you. Do you propose that any breed of dog that bites should be extinguished ?
I guess we can agree to disagree. I still think Polly is a great dog.

no hijack, just an open discussion about real life experiences. It is wrong to portray a pit as a controlled loving animal. It should be portrayed as the liability that it is. truth in advertising. If people who have all the info still make the choice to get a pit, then good for 'em. But pretending that all pits are nice and cudly is a disservice to people looking to adopt. Just like when you guys label a dog as a lab mix instead of the pit mix that it is just to make it more appealing. it just shouldn't be done.

 

[mv_princess]

no hijack, just an open discussion about real life experiences. It is wrong to portray a pit as a controlled loving animal. It should be portrayed as the liability that it is. truth in advertising. If people who have all the info still make the choice to get a pit, then good for 'em. But pretending that all pits are nice and cudly is a disservice to people looking to adopt. Just like when you guys label a dog as a lab mix instead of the pit mix that it is just to make it more appealing. it just shouldn't be done.

You know what,

We get it. You don't like Pits....."ban them, ban them forever!!"

Yeah yeah, we understand. move on

 

[tommyjones]

You know what,

We get it. You don't like Pits....."ban them, ban them forever!!"

Yeah yeah, we understand. move on

you know what, STFU.


you dont have to read my posts if you dont want.

for all you niave biaches that think pits are sweet and affectionate, even as you dismiss their aggressive behavior, i hope you have good liability insurance

 

[krazd_kat]

For my red karma giver

we are sorry you are so stupid as to think pits are 'good dogs' in general, BTW, you own no threads​

I'm impressed with your opinion

It's the mentality that you and Tommyjones are displaying that is proof of the type of people not qualified to own any type of smart, strong dog.

 

[tommyjones]

we are sorry you are so stupid as to think pits are 'good dogs' in general, BTW, you own no threads​

I'm impressed with your opinion

It's the mentality that you and Tommyjones are displaying that is proof of the type of people not qualified to own any type of smart, strong dog.

seriously, i hope you have good liability insurance, you are going to need it.

the first person that adopts one of your misrepresented dogs will have grounds to sue the hell out of you.