"I want a divorce!"

[vraiblonde]

The pressbots are keening in the streets about how horrible it is for MTG to suggest we split the states - a "national divorce" - without really saying *why* this would be so awful.

Anyone want to give it some thought beyond mindless knee-jerk reaction? Because I don't think it's that horrible of an idea and MTG certainly shouldn't be attacked for bringing it up for discussion.

 

[HemiHauler]

Boy, you and she are two peas from the same pod - simplistic ideas from simplistic minds.

There are no “red” and “blue” states. We are a nation of individuals.

 

[GURPS]

 

[Kyle]

Boy, you and she are two peas from the same pod - simplistic ideas from simplistic minds.

There are no “red” and “blue” states. We are a nation of individuals.

 

[Kyle]

You heard that spinning sound too?

 

[HemiHauler]

And here come the others from the Box of Boeberts!

 

[SamSpade]

Boy, you and she are two peas from the same pod - simplistic ideas from simplistic minds.

There are no “red” and “blue” states. We are a nation of individuals.

And you know what? For once I wholeheartedly agree with you.

There are just a few EXTREMELY blue states - and just a few EXTREMELY red ones.
All of the rest are cyan or magenta - more red than purple or more blue than purple.
And they all at one time, were mostly the other major party. Well most of them.

But there IS a huge divide between urban, and non-urban (I wouldn't say "rural" - Pennsylvania is a blue state, but only for Pittsburgh and Philly - the rest of the state is mostly red, including a formerly blue area where I used to live, in NE PA. Illinoois is a VERY red state - except for Chicago).

CITIES are blue, or tend to be. This tends to follow the Democratic ideal, living in cities, taxes covering needs, government in charge of everything.
Republicans tend to be stronger outside of cities, following a more conservative idea - government covers a few basic needs, but basically, we're fine, leave us alone, we will manage our police, fire, sewer, garbage ourselves - maybe we will ask for help when a hurricane hits.

Hence - you have the often shown county voting map, where but for a few concentrated areas around major MSAs - the entire nation would appear to be red.

There's not going to be a "civil war". There's no boundary, and there's plenty of blue in red states and red in blue states.

 

[Kyle]

There's not going to be a "civil war".

That would be the quickest way to turn the blue to red.

 

[SamSpade]

That would be the quickest way to turn the blue to red.

Oddly enough - our OWN REVOLUTION was only party popular by the people. The North was more Patriot, the South was more Loyalist, but a good third or so didn't want a war at all.

After the war, there were enough Loyalists pissed off, they went North and settled around Toronto. For like the next 50 years, most of the English speaking citizens of Canada were American colonists or their descendants.

There's always been this division, at least, in attitude.

I do hope there will come a point where we realize, we can't split over every damned thing. It's the same reason why we have so very many Christian denominations, because people become so invested in only ONE right way, they split over the slightest thing. Even my old denomination would split up over dumb things like whether they used one cup at communion or had a kitchen in the church.

 

[Clem72]

And you know what? For once I wholeheartedly agree with you.

There are just a few EXTREMELY blue states - and just a few EXTREMELY red ones.
All of the rest are cyan or magenta - more red than purple or more blue than purple.

California is the state with the third largest number of registered republicans.

 

[CPUSA]

And here come the others from the Box of Boeberts!

See...Just more mean & nasty outta your blowhole...
So sad your parents never taught you good manners...

 

[Kyle]

See...Just more mean & nasty outta your blowhole...
So sad your parents never taught you good manners...

Does a fungus really have parents?

 

[CPUSA]

Does a fungus really have parents?

I'm sure HH has parents...

Think, Joe Dirt....

 

[HemiHauler]

Does a fungus really have parents?

Better than being born from the cleft of Wilfred Brimley’s ass!

 

[Kyle]

Better than being born from the cleft of Wilfred Brimley’s ass!

I had no idea that was your provenance.

 

[3CATSAILOR]

And you know what? For once I wholeheartedly agree with you.

There are just a few EXTREMELY blue states - and just a few EXTREMELY red ones.
All of the rest are cyan or magenta - more red than purple or more blue than purple.
And they all at one time, were mostly the other major party. Well most of them.

But there IS a huge divide between urban, and non-urban (I wouldn't say "rural" - Pennsylvania is a blue state, but only for Pittsburgh and Philly - the rest of the state is mostly red, including a formerly blue area where I used to live, in NE PA. Illinoois is a VERY red state - except for Chicago).

CITIES are blue, or tend to be. This tends to follow the Democratic ideal, living in cities, taxes covering needs, government in charge of everything.
Republicans tend to be stronger outside of cities, following a more conservative idea - government covers a few basic needs, but basically, we're fine, leave us alone, we will manage our police, fire, sewer, garbage ourselves - maybe we will ask for help when a hurricane hits.

Hence - you have the often shown county voting map, where but for a few concentrated areas around major MSAs - the entire nation would appear to be red.

There's not going to be a "civil war". There's no boundary, and there's plenty of blue in red states and red in blue states.

This is why we have the Electoral College. Otherwise, the Cities would control everything.

 

[Hijinx]

Makes me think of Maryland. The eastern shore being closer to Delaware, with Virginia having a piece of it despite it being across the river. Then there used to be Southern Maryland, before Charles County got invaded by PG and Southeast Washington DC residents. Northern Maryland above Baltimore, more like Pa. politically.

 

[SamSpade]

This is why we have the Electoral College. Otherwise, the Cities would control everything.

You want to know something weird? One of the arguments at the time of the Constitution was that without it - VIRGINIA would control everything, presumably because there would be many nominees, and the most populous state would always vote their own guy in. As it happens, 4 of the first 5 Presidents *WERE* from Virginia, although you'd be hard pressed not to consider the man who won the war, the guy who wrote the Declaration and the man who wrote the Constitution just regular guys from Virginia.

But it was not only the most populous, it was the richest. And until many years after the Revolution, people tended to think of their state as their nation.

 

[stgislander]

Makes me think of Maryland. The eastern shore being closer to Delaware, with Virginia having a piece of it despite it being across the river. Then there used to be Southern Maryland, before Charles County got invaded by PG and Southeast Washington DC residents. Northern Maryland above Baltimore, more like Pa. politically.

You hurt my feelings.

 

[Monello]

It's not like you can take a gigantic backhoe and dig up the blue cities in red states then deposit them on either coast.

There are a few blue islands in a sea of red. How in the world could you even begin to try and divide that among ideologies.

What I think should happen is create places like the HBCU, except make it a conservative gathering place. Let people know this is what we stand for and we will teach based on these principles. Then anyone going there would understand how the curriculum would be presented. And if you don't like it, apply to attend somewhere else.

I have to laugh when I see old videos of Donald Trump showing up at some military base. The rank & file get excited and loud. Then biden goes to some sporting event and a chorus of f@(k joe biden breaks out among the spectators. 81 million my ass.