That should be part of the 2024 campaign advertising.
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That should be part of the 2024 campaign advertising.
HemiHauler
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That's the thing that completely bewilders me. Obama himself wasn't able to beat his total in 2008.
69 million votes in 2008; only 65 million in 2012.
And this is a man who could draw a crowd. No doubt about it, he had crowd appeal, he had charisma.
Then there's Hillary - she campaigns almost entirely on - "I'm not Trump" and "Look at me, I'm a woman running for President".
65 million votes.
Along comes a guy so inept he's been often heard sputtering gobbledygook. Publicly behaves in every way like your crazy uncle.
Can't draw a crowd that isn't EXCEEDED by the press covering the event - nobody wants to see him. Compared to Trump, whose rallies are so huge, people just tailgate outside.
And *he* gets 81 million votes. I don't think so. There are MANY reasons why I think the election was suspect, to be elected with more votes than any man in history - and looking at WHO he is - it's not logical. WORSE, unlike YEARS - YEARS of being told Trump cheated and his election was a fraud, we're told instead that 2020 was 100% on the level, saying otherwise is a big lie, shut up, nothing to see here, stop it with the conspiracy theories and so forth, red flags pop up for me.
If it weren't for the CONSTANT DRUMBEAT of the "big lie" and insisting on demonizing skepticism, I would have put it behind me. When someone tries to shut down discussion on something, I know there's something - something - they don't want to be known.
I have to think that there were people that bought the MSM line that the fate of the nation was at stake, and came out and voted against Trump. Those people probably never voted before and will never vote again. Covid just made it so easy for them. They didn't even have to put down their Cheetos.
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But - 10-15 MILLION more of them? I'd have to look at the data - my gut says the reason the numbers for BOTH were so high, it was the mail-in ballots. But the other one still is - the 2000 Mules thing - where once you could MAIL in ballots, it became an easy thing to just drop THOUSANDS of ballots in boxes everywhere, because as secure as polling areas are - drop boxes were just sitting there.
I don't know if that amounted to that many million - but I tend to believe that voter blocs when participation increases tend to be rather - scalable.
What you'd EXPECT might be, a proportional increase in both sets of ballots, for Trump and for Biden.
I think I read somewhere that Trump easily won election day votes - but that Biden won mail in votes, and I don't recall the numbers for early voting.
Something on the order of Lazlo Hollyfelds sweepstakes entries.
I heard a reasonable theory that the voting machine algorithms were rigged. For X number of votes for Trump, Y number of phantom votes were credited to biden.
I did the number before but the increase between presidential elections for the number of votes cast went up or down 4-5 million votes. All of a sudden way many more votes are cast than ever before. By a long shot. This doesn't happen without some sort of cheating.
Total votes for all candidates
2008 = 131.3 M votes
2012 = 129 M votes
2016 = 136.7 M votes (Then a record)
2020 = 158.4 M votes
Almost 22 million more votes cast while there was a world wide deadly virus threat. It's possible to get that sort of increase but it is highly unlikely to occur. In other words this 2020 increase was 3 times the increase from 2012 to 2016. 7 million to 22 million. That number alone should have been a huge red flag to the people tasked with monitoring elections.
Hijinx
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Once you admit they cheated it's really easy to explain.
Agreed. But you also mentioned the ONE thing that was different during 2020 - the virus threat.
We had an incredible SURGE of early and mail in voting. So it is extremely possible we simply had a lot more people voting once they realized, all they needed to do was mail something in.
And while I'm skeptical, I could go either way on that - either there was HUGE fraud or just a much larger participation rate. which was also observed.
I know that there are numbers people out there that study these sort of phenomena. For 200 years you have a certain degree of increase or decrease. Then in 1 cycle the numbers go all wacky. Now if there was an incentive to vote that didn't exist in prior elections, such as $100 per person if you vote, then that is an outlier. Was a virus enough to generate 22 million more votes? Over 16% increase when historically the increase is usually around 1- 2%. The raw numbers would tell me that the mail in ballots are why there was the increase. But I don't think 22 million more Americans decided to vote in this 1 election. Many of those mail ins were assisted or fraudulent. But proving that is extremely difficult.
Again, no pandemic, no shutting down & tanking the economy, no mail in votes, Trump buries biden at the voting booth. Plus you had CNN with their 24/7 death counters on the screen and constant harping of how Trump is letting us all die.
BOP
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There's a reason genocide was so popular in biblical times.