point being unemployment rates are cyclic and are always in flux. But if you make a statement that makes it sound like a Democrat is the only one that has good unemployment numbers your corn squeezens might be tainted.
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zuchick
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Yep, those rates were indeed high for Mr. Carter, but the Coal Mines was running good coal and I was workin.. But considering the low unemployment rates, seems like Carter's Admin. did not count those in the Military like the Republicans did.. And remember this, "READ MY LIPS".. I'll never forget that one. Two things ya can count on when a Republican get in office, we are going to be fighting some where and jobs are scarce, unless you could Hardees, Micky D's and Taco Bell and working just enough to keep you from getting full time at mini-wages as a Boom in Jobs.
Why?
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zuchick
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Okay.. Here is you One Break..
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zuchick
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Why.. The never ending question.. Well, when a democrat is in office, we don't have as many of our men and women in the military being shoot at, we don't have that many people out of work, we usually have good coverage for those who can't find jobs and I do not consider working flipping burgers for a couple hours a day at mini-wages meaningful employment.. It is if your 16 and still going to school, but that another issue.
You know I've been accused of being an atheist, a communist and even had one feller accuse me of being a Methodist, but the worse insult I ever had was the time the feller accused me of being a Republican.. Now that got my hackles up and we almost came to blows and would have I might add, but the feller had spent 30 years in the coal mines and just didn't have the wind.
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zuchick
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Hey Hon..
Why not?
SmallTown
Football season!
Actually these numbers aren't all that accurate since you mentioned carter, but those years were not when carter was in office.
Plus those numbers normally don't go up or down very quickly, so the starting point is more of a indicator of the previous administration, not the current one. The times before carter weren't exactly the best for many reasons.
But I like unemployment trends that go down, not up...
Pete
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So you hinge your opinion on YOUR employability? So who made you an economic indicator?
Coal mines, not that filthy stuff that spews polution when burned? Say it isn't so?
GAO reported the unemployment numbers and last I checked the GAO was run by congress, the one that was controled by Democrats until a couple years ago. Unemployment figures are arbitrary at best anyway when you figure in the empoyable/full workforce/military/what some one thinks are "beneath me" jobs anyway. A job is a job, you got one or you don't.
Ya got me on that one. I was pizzed too when he broke that promise. But then again I am a Conservative who hates taxes and the re-distribution of wealth mantra, I never figured a tax and spend Democrat to be unhappy about tax increases.
Hmmmm lets see Rebublicans: Korea, Panama, Grenada (Hate to count this one but fair is fair), Iraqx2
Democrats: Vietnam; Bosnia; Somolia; Haiti; Kosovo; Iran(if you count Grenada you have to count the hostage rescue attempt)
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I think GWB should use the "Read My Lips" quote as a campaign slogan. I remember his Dad making that pledge, and I remember him breaking that pledge when the Congress, then in the hands of the Democrats, told him that if he would raise taxes, they would cut taxes, and the budget deficit would be lowered. That was a hoot! Bush raised taxes, and the Congress increased their spending. They got to buy more votes AND they were able to use Bush's breaking of his promise as a campaign issue.
So I would use "Read My Lips" as a means of saying "I won't trust the Democrats!"
So I would use "Read My Lips" as a means of saying "I won't trust the Democrats!"
What exactly does a conservative Democrat believe?
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zuchick
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Originally posted by Pete
So you hinge your opinion on YOUR employability? So who made you an economic indicator?
Coal mines, not that filthy stuff that spews polution when burned? Say it isn't so?
Sure is.. That filty stuff that spews polution when burnt is what save our buts from speaking German during WWII. But yes it is so.
Either way you count it, they didn't start counting the Military until after Carter regardless of who okay'ed it.
And yes a Job is a Job, but when you have a couple mouths to feed all that changes.. Could you live on a Mini-wage where you are?
"I never figured a tax and spend Democrat to be unhappy about tax increases."
I don't mind paying taxes as long as the money is well spent. I guess that is the difference between a Democrat and a Republican.
"Hmmmm lets see Rebublicans: Korea, Panama, Grenada (Hate to count this one but fair is fair), Iraqx2"
Uh you forgot the United States is also a repbulic-ans. But that will change next election.
Would you please explain that a little further? What do the Democrats spend on that's so much better than what the Republicans spend on?
Larry Gude
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Smalltown...
...cut that crap out!
You know damn well there are a bunch of Democrats on this site including your favorite wrestling partner.
They bash Democrats for things they feel (rightly of course) Dems need bashing for and you've seen us VRWC types bash hell out of Lott, Rush and W when appropriate however infrequent that may be.
I won't argue that there is NOT a right tilt in here but we are kind of fair and kind of balanced.
Some.
...cut that crap out!
You know damn well there are a bunch of Democrats on this site including your favorite wrestling partner.
They bash Democrats for things they feel (rightly of course) Dems need bashing for and you've seen us VRWC types bash hell out of Lott, Rush and W when appropriate however infrequent that may be.
I won't argue that there is NOT a right tilt in here but we are kind of fair and kind of balanced.
Some.
Originally posted by Bruzilla
I think GWB should use the "Read My Lips" quote as a campaign slogan. I remember his Dad making that pledge, and I remember him breaking that pledge when the Congress, then in the hands of the Democrats, told him that if he would raise taxes, they would cut taxes, and the budget deficit would be lowered. That was a hoot! Bush raised taxes, and the Congress increased their spending. They got to buy more votes AND they were able to use Bush's breaking of his promise as a campaign issue.
So I would use "Read My Lips" as a means of saying "I won't trust the Democrats!"
Exactly. Bush basically came to an impasse at the beginning of the fiscal year, and they were doing the typical continuing resolution crap. Basically, Bush blinked. Same scenario, years later, Clinton DOESN'T blink. Neither does Congress, and the government shuts down. In a masterful stroke, Clinton manages to blame *Congress* when a simple stroke of his pen would have corrected it. It was HIS fault, but he succeeded in having everyone believe the Republicans did it.
I don't fault Bush for raising them when the Dems were holding his feet to the fire and still broke THEIR promise to him.
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zuchick
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Don't forget Our Man Ike started sending advisory to Vietnam. Hmm wasn't Ike a Republican? I admit that Truman was responsible for being in Korea and Japan was responsible for WWII as was Germany responsible for WWI.. Seens like the only ruckus JFK started was that little disagreement in Cuba.. Something about the Russians moving missile with Nukes 90 miles from Florida.. But I guess he could have avoided that one and just let them continue moving the missiles in Cuba.. I mean there are more states West of the Mississippi River.
And Carter, about all I can say for him is that I was working which by the way was the leading economic indicator for my family and I.
But lest see:
Truman in Korea, Ike in Vietnam, JFK in Cuba. Nixon well, that topic is better left alone he got caught with his pants down.
Carter in Iran, Reagan forgot he had his fingers in Iran and ole Ollie ain't talkin. But Reagan in that little Island what's its name.. Right on the tip of my tongue, but can say it. Now Bush I in Iraq
Clinton in the whitehouse really got caught.. Well you know. and then there was Bush II and all Hell broke lose in the Middle East, of course I can not blame him for this one because had his daddy did what was needed we wouldn't be getting shot at in Iraq and everywhere else. Did I miss anyone?
Someone needs to review history. It was Truman that started sending advisors to Vietnam (circa 1949), Ike continued the process and then Kennedy carried the number up to about 16,000. But it was Johnson that started sending big numbers of combat troops over there (no longer advisors but combatants).