Imminent Wal-mart Expansion

slightly_uneasy

New Member
With a super wal-mart expansion on the "county's tounge" what are some of your views. i am currently working on a college paper discussing the effects, whether they be negative to the regional economy or beneficial. please feel free to leave your comments and opinions. in addition, if anybody knows of any authorative authors who are in favor of the wal-mart expansion, please inform me as i am obligated to provide both sides of this issue.
 

Oz

You're all F'in Mad...
They followed the zoning ordinance, and played by the rules. I think the project took 100 TDR's to expand, which means that 300 acres of farmland has been preserved in St. Mary's County's Rural Preservation District, never to be developed. If you don't like those rules, then encourage your commissioners to change them.

Thankfully, St. Mary's hasn't done like Calvert, and attempted to change the rules in the middle of the process. Any business which works within our zoning laws to expand, deserves to see their project through to completion under those same rules.
 

stormer41

New Member
would love to have a super walmart here. When I lived in Carlisle,Pa
we had a super walmart at one end of Carlisle and a regular walmart at the other end. Both were always busy. Just wish we could buy beer and liquor in the stores around here. One stop shopping would be nice.
 

willie

Well-Known Member
Oz said:
They followed the zoning ordinance, and played by the rules. I think the project took 100 TDR's to expand, which means that 300 acres of farmland has been preserved in St. Mary's County's Rural Preservation District, never to be developed. If you don't like those rules, then encourage your commissioners to change them.

Thankfully, St. Mary's hasn't done like Calvert, and attempted to change the rules in the middle of the process. Any business which works within our zoning laws to expand, deserves to see their project through to completion under those same rules.
Where is the Super Walmart going in St. Mary's?
 
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Kain99

Guest
People always want a reason to biatch. A Super Walmart would be great! It's not like that area has any hope of not being the next Waldorf at this point so whats the BFD?
 

xstarlikex

Ces't amour!
Oz said:
They followed the zoning ordinance, and played by the rules. I think the project took 100 TDR's to expand, which means that 300 acres of farmland has been preserved in St. Mary's County's Rural Preservation District, never to be developed. If you don't like those rules, then encourage your commissioners to change them.

Thankfully, St. Mary's hasn't done like Calvert, and attempted to change the rules in the middle of the process. Any business which works within our zoning laws to expand, deserves to see their project through to completion under those same rules.


I read something about Wal-Mart having 100 TDR's but what exactly is a TDR? And how does it fit into the 300 acres of farmland that are now being preserved?
 

Oz

You're all F'in Mad...
xstarlikex said:
I read something about Wal-Mart having 100 TDR's but what exactly is a TDR? And how does it fit into the 300 acres of farmland that are now being preserved?


To make it real simple, a TDR is a Transferrable Development Right.

Let's say you have a 60 acre farm. Half of it is "naturally protected" from development (ie. housing development) by steep slopes, swamp land, etc, leaving 30 acres of land that could actually be developed instead of farmed. Our zoning ordinance says you can sell 1 TDR for every 3 acres of land owned, that could otherwise be developed.

Now, in Walmart's case, they are using TDR's to build a bigger store than is currently allowed by our zoning ordinance. (The exact provisions, and formula's are published in the County's Zoning Ordinance at stmarysmd.com.) Without TDR's, the store cannot be expanded because that same ordinance limited the size of stores to prevent big box retailers from coming here. But by retiring the development rights on those 300 acres, Walmart can exceed the allowable footprint. (I can't even imaging how big 300 acres would be to look at, but an acre is 43,560 square feet, and when I cut my grass that seems like a lot - I wouldn't want to cut 300 of them!)

It's a pretty good deal for folks who want to preserve the rural character of St. Mary's County. In this case, the ordinance directs development and expansion to an existing commercial property, right on 235, in an area designed for commercial development. In exchange, 300 acres of farmland are preserved, somewhere out in the country. Presumably, a farmer (or several) have had their income supplemented by selling their TDR's to Walmart, which helps to keep them in the business of farming. And in St. Mary's County, the only folks who can save the farming industry, are the farmer's themselves.
 
I am all for the expansion of the existing WalMart. Hopefully they will widen the isles, and stop parking pallets of crap in the middle of them.

I want an auto shop at the Walmart once they expand it. It's convienient to be able to drop off my car for an oil change and tire rotation while picking up the stuff I need in the rest of the store.
 

Railroad

Routinely Derailed
Once a very loyal Wal-Mart shopper, I got tired of squeezing past people, pallets, and paraphernalia. I got tired of standing in line with unwashed knuckle-draggers with one-piece eyebrows. I started shopping "anywhere but Wal-Mart." Today I shop at K-Mart, Target, Lowe's, and BJ's. I go to Wal-Mart once a year, and that's usually under duress.

Having said all that, I doubt that expanding the store will have much impact on the local economy. For a given population, all the stores named will handle a certain volume. Expanding Wal-Mart will probably attract more customers there, but those are customers that would otherwise be shopping at the other stores.
 

xstarlikex

Ces't amour!
Oz said:
To make it real simple, a TDR is a Transferrable Development Right.

Let's say you have a 60 acre farm. Half of it is "naturally protected" from development (ie. housing development) by steep slopes, swamp land, etc, leaving 30 acres of land that could actually be developed instead of farmed. Our zoning ordinance says you can sell 1 TDR for every 3 acres of land owned, that could otherwise be developed.

Now, in Walmart's case, they are using TDR's to build a bigger store than is currently allowed by our zoning ordinance. (The exact provisions, and formula's are published in the County's Zoning Ordinance at stmarysmd.com.) Without TDR's, the store cannot be expanded because that same ordinance limited the size of stores to prevent big box retailers from coming here. But by retiring the development rights on those 300 acres, Walmart can exceed the allowable footprint. (I can't even imaging how big 300 acres would be to look at, but an acre is 43,560 square feet, and when I cut my grass that seems like a lot - I wouldn't want to cut 300 of them!)

It's a pretty good deal for folks who want to preserve the rural character of St. Mary's County. In this case, the ordinance directs development and expansion to an existing commercial property, right on 235, in an area designed for commercial development. In exchange, 300 acres of farmland are preserved, somewhere out in the country. Presumably, a farmer (or several) have had their income supplemented by selling their TDR's to Walmart, which helps to keep them in the business of farming. And in St. Mary's County, the only folks who can save the farming industry, are the farmer's themselves.


Thanks for all that information. It helped a lot. :notworthy
 
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