Intellectual Morons
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We disagree.rraley said:
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Rr...
I guess I was being too cute;
You do NOT put down a rabid dog as a warning to other dogs.
Our jails are heinous, horrific places rampant with violence. We've been down this road before.
Some people need killing.
I guess I was being too cute;
You do NOT put down a rabid dog as a warning to other dogs.
Our jails are heinous, horrific places rampant with violence. We've been down this road before.
Some people need killing.
FromTexas
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rraley said:
That still hasn't protected society. They know they are in there for life and have absolutely nothing to lose. So, what happens when one makes a prison break and will do anything to stay out (i.e. kill, etc...)? What happens when our prisons are just that much more crowded because we have all these violent life time criminals in there and the justice system continues to make trade offs... letting just a few more "lesser" criminals go free. Maybe one of those gets some extra incentive out of that and goes for more (i.e. just robbed a store last time, but this time doesn't mind killing a few people while doing it). The prison system is just a numbers game. If you have one more somewhere else, then you are going to have one less in a different spot because there will be the argument of "cruel and unusal" and overcrowding has already been deemed inappropriate on that logic.
Death row is one of the few places they don't get conjugal visits, also, so now that they are life sentenced, they will get to argue to see their spouses (some they marry while they are in), and they will get to continue to procreate. That wouldn't be very Darwin of us.
Ahhh...Bruzilla's sister-in-law becomes famous again!Larry Gude said:
I think that should be tattooed on the forehead of every American. I get worn out with "deterrence" statistics - who cares whether the death penalty deters criminals or not? The point is that they'll only do it once instead of getting out of prison and preying on other innocent victims. Or making us pay for their education, food, shelter, cable TV and video games for the rest of their lives.
Can you imagine if some scumbag murdered your loved one in cold blood, then you work your butt off so your tax dollars can pay for their special religious meals and their gym equipment???
It's my contention that, as a Christian *individual*, it's not up to you to make the kind of judgment that would lock someone up or to punish them - as you say, that's up to God. By the reasoning you demonstrated earlier - this means the state can't do that EITHER, because it's merely the aggregate will of the individual. I disagree, and at some level, you appear to do so as well. You're content with the idea that the government does possess the right to punish criminals - even though you contend that individuals do not.rraley said:
I agree that it does, because, for lack of a better way of putting it - the government is doing God's job, in the here and now. I mean, you seem to be clear, it ain't YOUR job, it's not MY job, and it's not up to any ONE person. It belongs to the government. If you don't possess the right to punish, and I don't - but the government DOES, there's a difference there - it possesses a right to do it you and I do not.
I believe it also possesses the right to execute someone.
Bustem' Down
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I say kill 'em all. Why should we be concerned with thier human rights, they obviously aren't.
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Yeah, I don't like to beat around the bush.SamSpade said:
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rr... someone in America saying that the death penalty offers no deterrent factor reminds me of the guy who runs around snapping his fingers to ward off lions. He thinks his approach is working because there are no lions around, even though he is snapping his fingers where there are no lions to keep away.
People aren't seeing any deterrence not because the death penalty doesn't deter, but because you have to have a death penalty for it to deter. We say we have a death penalty, but let's face it... we don't. Criminals know that if they get caught they probably will beat the death penalty, and even of they get it they'll be able to postpone their deaths and have a good chance of acquittal.
Before you say that it has no deterrent factor, try looking at the crime rates of countries that have a death penalty AND vigorously enforce it. The picture is very, very, different than in the US.
People aren't seeing any deterrence not because the death penalty doesn't deter, but because you have to have a death penalty for it to deter. We say we have a death penalty, but let's face it... we don't. Criminals know that if they get caught they probably will beat the death penalty, and even of they get it they'll be able to postpone their deaths and have a good chance of acquittal.
Before you say that it has no deterrent factor, try looking at the crime rates of countries that have a death penalty AND vigorously enforce it. The picture is very, very, different than in the US.
Attention Rraley!
You'll be pleased to know that my book considers Leo Strauss an Intellectual Moron and busts on Bush/Cheney their reasons for going to war with Iraq.
I've never heard of Leo Strauss, but Wiki says he's a right-wing fascist. And I still think we were correct in taking on Saddam, regardless of what this book says.
You'll be pleased to know that my book considers Leo Strauss an Intellectual Moron and busts on Bush/Cheney their reasons for going to war with Iraq.
I've never heard of Leo Strauss, but Wiki says he's a right-wing fascist. And I still think we were correct in taking on Saddam, regardless of what this book says.
