Iowa agony...

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

One thing I've noticed about the flooding in Iowa and other places recently - they're not standing around asking when the government is coming in to help feed, clothe & shelter them. And they're not in lines waiting for their free debit cards, either. Or complaining about how long it took for any humanitarian efforts to begin with agencies such as the Red Cross.

Stark contrast with what happened in New Orleans.

Well said....

You righties are freakin' mouth-breathers.

It wasn't just a flood in New Orleans, it was a category 3 hurricane that destroyed hundreds of miles of coastline. BIG difference between a flood and a hurricane.

But, I should've known New Orleans would be drawn into this somehow.

Has it occoured to you that maybe people heeded the flood warnings and the evacuations more seriously because Katrina is still fresh in many peoples' memory? :shrug:

What would happen here if Katrina didn't happen? No national news coverage (even though they aren't getting any anyways), and people wouldn't be taking it as seriously. Katrina was a disaster multiplied and magnified - and people have learned a valuable lesson from it: You cannot depend on the gooberment and you've got to take evacuation orders seriously.

 

[refugee44]

...purpose? As a matter of statistical fact, if this level of flooding happens ever 15 years or so then that would go into the data that allows for the calculations that come up with what a 500 year flood is and the engineering and planning that works off of that data. It is impossible, statistically, for this to be 500 year flooding if it happens, or nearly so, every 15 years.

As far as that goes, a 500 year flood may not happen for 1,000 years. Or 750 Or it could happen in 250 years. But it can't happen every 15. Or it wouldn't qualify, or quantify, as a 500 year flood.

I hate to break it to you, but a "500" year flood could happen 3 times in a year, and it's still a "500" year flood. The time it takes the government to change the statistics that reference the hydrology that determines these statistics is astonishing. Again, it isn't the time interval that is important here; it's the volume of water, and statistically how often that is likely to occur.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

I hate to break it to you, but a "500" year flood could happen 3 times in a year, and it's still a "500" year flood. The time it takes the government to change the statistics that reference the hydrology that determines these statistics is astonishing. Again, it isn't the time interval that is important here; it's the volume of water, and statistically how often that is likely to occur.

And again, statistically, it doesn't happen that often.

If it did, they'd call it a "10 year flood."

 

[Larry Gude]

Well..

I hate to break it to you, but a "500" year flood could happen 3 times in a year, and it's still a "500" year flood. The time it takes the government to change the statistics that reference the hydrology that determines these statistics is astonishing. Again, it isn't the time interval that is important here; it's the volume of water, and statistically how often that is likely to occur.

...then we agree.

 

[This_person]

You righties are freakin' mouth-breathers.

It wasn't just a flood in New Orleans, it was a category 3 hurricane that destroyed hundreds of miles of coastline. BIG difference between a flood and a hurricane.

But, I should've known New Orleans would be drawn into this somehow.

Has it occoured to you that maybe people heeded the flood warnings and the evacuations more seriously because Katrina is still fresh in many peoples' memory? :shrug:

What would happen here if Katrina didn't happen? No national news coverage (even though they aren't getting any anyways), and people wouldn't be taking it as seriously. Katrina was a disaster multiplied and magnified - and people have learned a valuable lesson from it: You cannot depend on the gooberment and you've got to take evacuation orders seriously.

Has it occurred to you that sh!t has happened before Katrina? That people heed warnings because they're not expecting someone to bail them out when they fail to meet expectations/follow advice? That an entitlement society exists more in heavily populated areas than in more rural areas?

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Has it occurred to you that sh!t has happened before Katrina? That people heed warnings because they're not expecting someone to bail them out when they fail to meet expectations/follow advice? That an entitlement society exists more in heavily populated areas than in more rural areas?

There were tons of hurricanes in Florida that people sat it out through instead of heeding evacuations.

But, I haven't seen anything on the news lately from our homeland where the damages have amounted to that of Katrina. Not trying to say the Iowa floods aren't dire, but Katrina was much worse, which is why I say it was a disaster multiplied.

These floods haven't destroyed hundreds of thousands of homes and businesses yet, and they haven't destroyed multi-million dollar buildings 30 miles inland either.

It's totally unfair to compare this, or anything else, to Katrina. Hurricane Katrina was almost about as bad as it can get.

But... keep on comparing the flooding of an area containing 20,000 people to a hurricane that hit an area containing 600,000 people.

 

[Hessian]

And the Walmart...

in Cedar Rapids...has not been looted.

the helicopters bringing aid ...have not been shot at.

The Busses, are not sitting in 6 feet of water.

The Mayor is not blaming the Army corps of Engineers for levee failure.

The President has not done his first fly-over yet.

The locals are NOT running wild in the local stadium.

Looting...what is looting?

You are right Andy,...you just can't make any comparisons between the two.
Some act civilized, some don't.

 

[This_person]

There were tons of hurricanes in Florida that people sat it out through instead of heeding evacuations.

But, I haven't seen anything on the news lately from our homeland where the damages have amounted to that of Katrina. Not trying to say the Iowa floods aren't dire, but Katrina was much worse, which is why I say it was a disaster multiplied.

These floods haven't destroyed hundreds of thousands of homes and businesses yet, and they haven't destroyed multi-million dollar buildings 30 miles inland either.

It's totally unfair to compare this, or anything else, to Katrina. Hurricane Katrina was almost about as bad as it can get.

But... keep on comparing the flooding of an area containing 20,000 people to a hurricane that hit an area containing 600,000 people.

We're actually not comparing the flood to the hurricane. We're comparing the response of those people who were equally personally effected by this tragedy to that one.

Pay attention, Andy.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

in Cedar Rapids...has not been looted.

the helicopters bringing aid ...have not been shot at.

The Busses, are not sitting in 6 feet of water.

The Mayor is not blaming the Army corps of Engineers for levee failure.

The President has not done his first fly-over yet.

The locals are NOT running wild in the local stadium.

Looting...what is looting?

You are right Andy,...you just can't make any comparisons between the two.
Some act civilized, some don't.

The areas hit by these floods have 10% of the population NOLA does. The higher the population, the more problems there are going to be. There were lots and lots of stories of heroism and courage during Katrina, you righties just choose to filter it out and paint Hurricane Katrina as a bunch of black criminals running around with guns and looting after 4 days of 0 response.

All of New Orleans was destroyed. These floods are nothing compared to the destruction of Katrina.

And again, perhaps people learned their lessons from Katrina. There was looting after Andrew in '92.

A category 3 hurricane destroying everything in town is going to have a lot bigger affect on a lot more people than 3-8' floodwaters flooding about 10% of the town.

Apples and oranges. Katrina was much much worse than the Iowa floods.

It's like comparing a category 1 hurricane hitting Lexington Park to a Category 5 hurricane hitting New York. Guess which disaster is going to be worse?

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

We're actually not comparing the flood to the hurricane. We're comparing the response of those people who were equally personally effected by this tragedy to that one.

Pay attention, Andy.

And again, for the nine-thousanth time, this is a much smaller population.

Let's compare the Iowa floods to Biloxi or Bay St. Louis then. That would be a little more fair, since we're not talking about 500,000 people there.

Now, tell me about the response of the people in Biloxi and Bay St. Louis.

Rising from Ruin - MSNBC.com << Here's a good site to start your research.

 

[This_person]

The areas hit by these floods have 10% of the population NOLA does. The higher the population, the more problems there are going to be. There were lots and lots of stories of heroism and courage during Katrina, you righties just choose to filter it out and paint Hurricane Katrina as a bunch of black criminals running around with guns and looting after 4 days of 0 response.

Who suggested black? You think there are no black people in IA, IL? We're suggesting that the people in IL and IA don't demand response from anyone else, they deal with it in a productive manner themselves.

All of New Orleans was destroyed. These floods are nothing compared to the destruction of Katrina.

Not true. Where it flooded, it was destroyed just the same.

And again, perhaps people learned their lessons from Katrina. There was looting after Andrew in '92.

Perhaps some people weren't taught a lesson by Katrina other than learning that some people out there expect others to bail them out when they have problems.

A category 3 hurricane destroying everything in town is going to have a lot bigger affect on a lot more people than 3-8' floodwaters flooding about 10% of the town.

And? An area with far fewer people have less people to count on for help, yet got more!

Apples and oranges. Katrina was much much worse than the Iowa floods.

It's like comparing a category 1 hurricane hitting Lexington Park to a Category 5 hurricane hitting New York. Guess which disaster is going to be worse?

And, guess who's going to respond to it better, as people.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Perhaps some people weren't taught a lesson by Katrina other than learning that some people out there expect others to bail them out when they have problems.

To a point, they should be. There should've been Red Cross chapters there to help. They weren't expecting a complete bailout, just enough to get their lives restarted.

What happened? Their insurance companies hat they paid into squatted over them and took a large #### on them. Our government insisted on rebuilding a ciy that has no hope anyways.

I've seen tons of stuff about Katrina since the disaster. People going down and building them new homes. Those victims of this disaster of historic proportions were greatful. Some of them have since gotten jobs, gotten their lives restarted.

There were others who tried, countless times, to get jobs - to get their lives restarted. Some, to no success. Others, with success. Some people helped them out as well. Others took advantage of them.

You continue to throw out this crap that these people felt entitled. You are only talking about a small percentage of people. There were many more who did get their lives restarted.

When a town is totally destroyed like Nola was, it's not as easy as you make it sound to get your life restarted.

And, when people are dying around you, it's just that much worse emotionally.

But, I'm done talking with you righties about this. You guys are so far to the right that you sound like leftists.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

An area with far fewer people have less people to count on for help, yet got more!

And it's remarkable even still how small towns come together in times of need. Much easier for them to unify (like La Plata) and work together.

Now I'm done arguing with you righties. Go ahead and keep on being obtuse.

 

[This_person]

And it's remarkable even still how small towns come together in times of need. Much easier for them to unify (like La Plata) and work together.

Now I'm done arguing with you righties. Go ahead and keep on being obtuse.

Done like you were in the previous post, or just this last post?

This isn't a left/right issue, per se. This is a self-reliance vs. bailout issue (wait, that does make it a right/left issue, doens't it!?)

Yes, it wasn't every single person in NO. Yes, there are probably some people who expected help that didn't get it in IA or IL. We're talking the overall scheme of things here. There are STILL people living in FEMA trailers in NO. STILL. It's crap, and that's all there is to that.

 

[Toxick]

...me do a little surfing around. This is the first I've heard that it was like this 15 years ago.

I actually remember it vividly.


Oddly, one of the things that stands out in my mind is a Weekly World News article about "Bat-Boy" being trapped on the roof of a farmhouse during the flood.





Funny what the mind latches onto.

 

[MMDad]

Yeah, and this "500" year flood occured 15 years ago... again, not unheard of for this area. I know, because I lived it.

BTW.. you know that it's not really a "500" year flood, right? All that means is that there is a .5% chance of that level of flooding happening in any one year.

.5% would be a 200 year flood. A 500 year flood is .2%. You're welcome!

 

[Bann]

You righties are freakin' mouth-breathers.

It wasn't just a flood in New Orleans, it was a category 3 hurricane that destroyed hundreds of miles of coastline. BIG difference between a flood and a hurricane.

But, I should've known New Orleans would be drawn into this somehow.

Has it occoured to you that maybe people heeded the flood warnings and the evacuations more seriously because Katrina is still fresh in many peoples' memory? :shrug:

What would happen here if Katrina didn't happen? No national news coverage (even though they aren't getting any anyways), and people wouldn't be taking it as seriously. Katrina was a disaster multiplied and magnified - and people have learned a valuable lesson from it: You cannot depend on the gooberment and you've got to take evacuation orders seriously.

Freakin' mouth-breathers?
Is it possible for you to participate in ANY civil discourse without the use of juvenile name-calling & hurling insults?

The point of the Katrina disaster was NOT that it was caused by a hurricane. The point of the "Katrina disaster" is that when you have 2 or 3 generations of people who are used to waiting on their government assistance to arrive in the mailbox every month & are used to the government doing nearly everything for them- they never learn how to take care of themselves, much less THINK for themselves. What happened in NO was a disaster just waiting to happen. It could have been a hurricane, it could have been an earthquake or even a terrorist hit and it's quite likely that the people would behave the same way.

And way to go, bud - that's some real conservative viewpoints you've got going there. Next thing ya know - you'll be sitting right next to Bruzilla on the Obama For President bench.

 

[Bann]

And again, for the nine-thousanth time, this is a much smaller population.

Let's compare the Iowa floods to Biloxi or Bay St. Louis then. That would be a little more fair, since we're not talking about 500,000 people there.

Now, tell me about the response of the people in Biloxi and Bay St. Louis.

Rising from Ruin - MSNBC.com << Here's a good site to start your research.

I love the way you come in and take over a thread by missing the point.

I was the one who brought up the WAY THE PEOPLE ARE ACTING in IA vs THE WAY PEOPLE ACTED in NO during their times of adversity.

Human behavior in the face of adversity. That's what I was making an observation of. Not hurricanes and floods.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Freakin' mouth-breathers?
Is it possible for you to participate in ANY civil discourse without the use of juvenile name-calling & hurling insults?

The point of the Katrina disaster was NOT that it was caused by a hurricane. The point of the "Katrina disaster" is that when you have 2 or 3 generations of people who are used to waiting on their government assistance to arrive in the mailbox every month & are used to the government doing nearly everything for them- they never learn how to take care of themselves, much less THINK for themselves. What happened in NO was a disaster just waiting to happen. It could have been a hurricane, it could have been an earthquake or even a terrorist hit and it's quite likely that the people would behave the same way.

And way to go, bud - that's some real conservative viewpoints you've got going there. Next thing ya know - you'll be sitting right next to Bruzilla on the Obama For President bench.

Let's go back to Katrina then.

Residents were told to go to Convention Center, and aid and relief was there for them. They went and nobody was there.

 

[Bann]

in Cedar Rapids...has not been looted.

the helicopters bringing aid ...have not been shot at.

The Busses, are not sitting in 6 feet of water.

The Mayor is not blaming the Army corps of Engineers for levee failure.

The President has not done his first fly-over yet.

The locals are NOT running wild in the local stadium.

Looting...what is looting?

You are right Andy,...you just can't make any comparisons between the two.
Some act civilized, some don't.

Thank you!!!