Since Jimmy has been going on for awhile I guess I'll have to give him a little break. now then, Greek culture is viewed as the birth of western civilization, however that is classical western culture which is not what we are talking about when you mention the western culture which allows college professors the ability to sit back confortably and talk about how great it is to be truly intellectual and not have to buy into the dogma of pure reason and logic.
You see modern Western civilization, which we are actually discussing, is generally considered to have taken place after the renaisance and the great enlightenment (Europe, not Greece) which is dated in the 15th century C.E. meaning that China is still older and has been thriving longer. Not to mention that even if we want to stay on the Greece kick I would venture to compare modern Greece to modern China and say that China is somewhat more of a world power today, intellectualy, militarily and economically while Greece has fallen far beyond the way side. Greece had a great run, but its been over since before the Ottoman empire.
As for what jimmy said about knowing that you've been taking classes for 15 years, I can definitely see where you might be a little put off by college. working full time to put yourself through while only being able to take a few classes at a time would defintiley cause me to be a little bit less than enamored with the higher education system. I can more than understand why you have complaints, so would I if I had to struggle so much just to have the oppurtunity and I'm glad you got through it. Lord knows we need more educated people in the world.
I'm not going to get into the whole liberals being smarter thing but lets look at our last two presidents. Leaving everything else aside, Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, George W. Bush ahd a cumulative GPA of 2.57 in college and supposedly has the lowest IQ of any president (I admit that the IQ test is a load of crap since no one knows the IQ scores of most of our presidents and I'm certainly not saying that IQ tests measure anything, but I'm sure W lost points for trying to use some of his "special words"). Sorry the liberal in me had to throw that out but you can totally ignore b/c its a pointless argument to take up.
As for the Environmental ethics bit, go check last years US news and World Report college addition. Not to say they're an expert source or anything but Environemtnal Ethics is listed as one of the top 5 fastest growing subject areas.
You know what I really love monkey is that you attack us for spouting out things as facts without justifying and yet you do the same. Hmmm. And when you get something really touch you just start laughing and don't respond. Kinda like we're all playing basketball and you're losing so you take your ball and go home. Cute, really.
Oh and Vrai, I was wondering who was going to call me on that. I put that one out there to show how ridiculous it is to accuse professors of promoting their own viewpoint. Of course they do, all people do always, whetehr we recognize it or not, whether its coscious or not we're never ever Ever objective. Not possible. So how did I score on my dive? I think I went past vertical a little bit on the entry from over rotating and my legs came a part a little bit in the pike position.
