John Kerry is STILL at it!

valentino

Member
vraiblonde said:
Kerry touted his OWN service record in order to convince the voting public that, as a big war hero, he was more qualified to lead us in the War on Tara than Bush. Bush didn't make a big deal out of his NatGuard service - he didn't have a distinguished military career and he knows it. Never tried to pretend otherwise and even went out of his way to praise Kerry's service.

Bush has no past that we're not aware of. We know he used to be a drunk - he said so himself. We know that he had a DWI back in the day - he admitted it. We know he was a stinker rapscallion ne'er-do-well until he got religion and got sober.

Kerry, on the other hand, is trying to polish a turd.

If someone is bashing your record, you would most likely stand up for yourself right...??? I just have a problem with being second rate and proud of it... Kerry was and is not the end all to America's problems, just not sure how people can think that Bush is the best thing there is just because he is Republican...
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
No...

Is that really a cause for celebrity?

...it's not, but it is, I'm pretty sure, part of the thought process...if you are in JFK's shoes.

Dean ain't done. Does it say somewhere that he CAN'T be the nominee while running the DNC?

"Today, I'd like to thank myself for all the hard work I did for the nominee...me."



Val,

Bush is decidely NOT the best thing there is simply because he is a Republican, but the choice was Kerry or Bush. I, saddly and simply, was not on the ballot. Bush, however, has turned out a damn sight better than I thought he'd be back in 2000.
 

Otter

Nothing to see here
Penn said:
Why hasn't G. W. Bush released his service records - Kerry wants to know -

I am not sure where I picked this up, but if you non-believers out there don't believe it, I'll find where I got it.

What do you really know about George W. Bush’s time in the Air National Guard?

That he didn’t show up for duty in Alabama? That he missed a physical? That his daddy got him in?

News coverage of the president’s years in the Guard has tended to focus on one brief portion of that time — to the exclusion of virtually everything else. So just for the record, here, in full, is what Bush did:

The future president joined the Guard in May 1968. Almost immediately, he began an extended period of training. Six weeks of basic training. Fifty-three weeks of flight training. Twenty-one weeks of fighter-interceptor training.

That was 80 weeks to begin with, and there were other training periods thrown in as well. It was full-time work. By the time it was over, Bush had served nearly two years.

Not two years of weekends. Two years.

After training, Bush kept flying, racking up hundreds of hours in F-102 jets. As he did, he accumulated points toward his National Guard service requirements. At the time, guardsmen were required to accumulate a minimum of 50 points to meet their yearly obligation.

According to records released earlier this year, Bush earned 253 points in his first year, May 1968 to May 1969 (since he joined in May 1968, his service thereafter was measured on a May-to-May basis).

Bush earned 340 points in 1969-1970. He earned 137 points in 1970-1971. And he earned 112 points in 1971-1972. The numbers indicate that in his first four years, Bush not only showed up, he showed up a lot. Did you know that?

That brings the story to May 1972 — the time that has been the focus of so many news reports — when Bush “deserted” (according to anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore) or went “AWOL” (according to Terry McAuliffe, chairman of the Democratic National Committee).

Bush asked for permission to go to Alabama to work on a Senate campaign. His superior officers said OK. Requests like that weren’t unusual, says retired Col. William Campenni, who flew with Bush in 1970 and 1971.

“In 1972, there was an enormous glut of pilots,” Campenni says. “The Vietnam War was winding down, and the Air Force was putting pilots in desk jobs. In ’72 or ’73, if you were a pilot, active or Guard, and you had an obligation and wanted to get out, no problem. In fact, you were helping them solve their problem.”

So Bush stopped flying. From May 1972 to May 1973, he earned just 56 points — not much, but enough to meet his requirement.

Then, in 1973, as Bush made plans to leave the Guard and go to Harvard Business School, he again started showing up frequently.

In June and July of 1973, he accumulated 56 points, enough to meet the minimum requirement for the 1973-1974 year.

Then, at his request, he was given permission to go. Bush received an honorable discharge after serving five years, four months and five days of his original six-year commitment. By that time, however, he had accumulated enough points in each year to cover six years of service.

During his service, Bush received high marks as a pilot.

A 1970 evaluation said Bush “clearly stands out as a top notch fighter interceptor pilot” and was “a natural leader whom his contemporaries look to for leadership.”

A 1971 evaluation called Bush “an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot” who “continually flies intercept missions with the unit to increase his proficiency even further.” And a 1972 evaluation called Bush “an exceptional fighter interceptor pilot and officer.”

Now, it is only natural that news reports questioning Bush’s service — in The Boston Globe and The New York Times, on CBS and in other outlets — would come out now. Democrats are spitting mad over attacks on John Kerry’s record by the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

And, as it is with Kerry, it’s reasonable to look at a candidate’s entire record, including his military service — or lack of it. Voters are perfectly able to decide whether it’s important or not in November.

The Kerry camp blames Bush for the Swift boat veterans’ attack, but anyone who has spent much time talking to the Swifties gets the sense that they are doing it entirely for their own reasons.

And it should be noted in passing that Kerry has personally questioned Bush’s service, while Bush has not personally questioned Kerry’s.
 

Penn

Dancing Up A Storm
http://www.sourcewatch.org/wiki.phtml?title=Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth

It seems like I recall Swift Boat veteran John E. O'Neill being interviewed on MSNBC one night. The interviewer asked him what the Swift Boat Vets would do if the President asked them to stop televising their ads. He said he'd refuse to do that.
Well, what if some of the information being unearthed might harm GW's campaign?

O'Neill said something to the effect, that "we're not working for the president, and it's our feeling that - well, let the chips fall where they may".

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The Kerry camp blames Bush for the Swift boat veterans’ attack, but anyone who has spent much time talking to the Swifties gets the sense that they are doing it entirely for their own reasons.
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I didn't talk to any of them, but I did listen to them; and their efforts were their own initative I believe, not from the GOP, as the liberals wanted us to accept.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
I don't give a flying rat azz...

and their efforts were their own initative I believe, not from the GOP, as the liberals wanted us to accept.

...if the effort was ordered and directed by Richard Nixons Watergate Ghost; the questions about Kerry, his Purple hearts, his combat V's, his accounts of what happened and, most of all, the doubts a whole bunch of MEN WHO SERVED WITH him have about his character still stand on their own merits.
 

Penn

Dancing Up A Storm
Kerry: Country would be ‘far better off’ under him
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Former Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, who lost decisively to President Bush in an election focused on national security, said Tuesday the country would be “far better off” with his proposals for Iraq and the military.[/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“I think my security proposals for the country were smack on, dead on,” Kerry said. “I think that had they started to do the things I proposed on Iraq when I proposed them, we would be far better off today. And they are in fact now trying to do some of the things that I proposed. [/font]</B>[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](More)[/font]

http://www.airforcetimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-660997.php

The last line is a joke, as usual...............:duh:
 

alex

Member
The only reason Kerry is still at it is because the media knows it will draw viewers. If we just ignore him hopefully he will go away.
 
B

Bruzilla

Guest
Great post Otter. The Democrats have been leveraging the public's ignorance of how the Guard and reserves operate for too long.

As for Kerry's “I think my security proposals for the country were smack on, dead on...” statement, I think you need look no further than his Meet The Press interview when he cited specific dates and locations for his smack on/dean on comments, instead of saying "as I said repeatedly during the campaign..." He knows he took every side of the issues, and he can't cite specific times that he said something to meet virtually any situation. What a putz.
 

rraley

New Member
I didn't thoroughly read all of the posts in this thread, but I have some comments about John Kerry (someone remarked, "where is rraley?").

I did not support John Kerry in the primaries. The arguments that I made against him during the primary debate was that he would too easily be labeled as a "Massachusetts liberal" and I argued that he could not connect to people. These two things, combined with the label of flip-flopper, were in many regards why John Kerry lost the general election.

Now I was disheartened when Kerry won the primaries, but I was certain that almost any Democrat (save Kucinich, Dean, and Sharpton) would do better than President Bush. I believed that lost jobs, higher deficits, a misguided Iraqi policy, and economic policies favoring the wealthy meant that this nation needed new leadership. Kerry fit that mold in some respects, so I was forced into defending his ridiculous statements during the hyper-partisan environment of American presidential elections.

So, in summary, John Kerry was not my favorite and I only defended him because he was the candidate of my party and because he represented at least a partial improvement from President Bush (especially on the economy). Now that the election is over and Kerry's terrible campaign is finally done with, I have withdrawn my name from his email list because he will not receive my support again and I am now free to tell that man from Massachusetts to sit down, shut up, and stay there.
 
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Bruzilla

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I remember one of our Lib friends talking about going to a Kerry speech and being so enthralled. Wasn't that you rr, or am I thinking of someone else?
 

rraley

New Member
Bruzilla said:
I remember one of our Lib friends talking about going to a Kerry speech and being so enthralled. Wasn't that you rr, or am I thinking of someone else?

I think that you are thinking of someone else...I may have said nice things about Kerry's acceptance speech but I do not recall being "enthralled" by any of his speeches...if I said that I was, I'm gonna blame it on temporary insanity.
 

Penn

Dancing Up A Storm
I know that not everyone is going to agree with me here, especially I suppose if you were(or are) a Liberal, a lefty, an Independent, even a Bush-hater. But I have to tell ya - I sat through many of John Kerry's speeches: the Democratic Primaries, the Presidential Debates, Kerry's acknowledgement in Boston -conceding the election to President Bush, and other television spots. Unless you're a dyed-in-the-wool supporter of him, John Kerry is one BORING individual to have to sit and listen and figure out what he's trying to say!

He literally made my eyes and ears fatigued, droning on and on and on. Not really saying anything, just words about "my plan". Then the flip-flops didn't help either. :ohwell:
 
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Bruzilla

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rraley said:
I think that you are thinking of someone else...I may have said nice things about Kerry's acceptance speech but I do not recall being "enthralled" by any of his speeches...if I said that I was, I'm gonna blame it on temporary insanity.

No, it wasn't the acceptance speech. This was before he was the nominee. I think he came to Leonardtown and gave a speech, or went to a Maryland college.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
RRaley, when you talk like that, it's hard for me to remember that you're a high school kid.

Did I mention that I have three daughters? :biggrin:
 

rraley

New Member
vraiblonde said:
RRaley, when you talk like that, it's hard for me to remember that you're a high school kid.

Did I mention that I have three daughters? :biggrin:

Haha...well I'm single.
 
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