John Kerry on guns, hunting and the 2nd ammendment

[tlatchaw]

I've heard enough from Kerry to wonder where he really might stand regardless of what he might be saying right now. That statement applies to almost any subject I might be considering.

Y'know I'd have alot more respect for the guy if he would just take one stance and stick with it. I feel sort of jaded toward every point he may try to make, like I'm waiting for some other quote to come out that describes some other heartfelt position that he holds that is antithetical to the one he just espoused.

 

[Tonio]

Originally posted by Bruzilla
Beware of Liberals wearing hunter orange. We got bit by the 1985 NFA when we were told the government would oinely ever ban selective-fire weapons and that semi-automatic assault weapons and hunting arms would always be protected. Then came the NFA of 1994 and it's goodbye to semi-auto assault rifles, but hunting arms will be protected. You can imagine what a Kerry-inspired 2006 NFA would look like.

I don't know enough about guns to know what a selective-fire weapon is and what constitutes a semi-automatic assault weapon.

 

[Larry Gude]

rraley...

...I know what you mean...

that he's a liberal on gun rights

...but it's one of the more distinct bastardizations of the term 'liberal' that the modern liberal and Democratic party has become.

They are NOT liberal on the 2nd Amendment. They are right there with Stalin, Communism, Hitler and Mussolini, National Fascism, and pretty much all totalitarian regimes.

Applying their, his, logic to other liberties and we'd have a registration and background check required to post on this board and still have restrictions placed on speech.

 

[Larry Gude]

Tonio...

...a 'selective fire' weapon has a device, a lever or switch that mechanically allows the choice of weapon fire in a variety of actions depending on the weapon.

For example, an AR-15 (civilian model M-16) of today is not selective. It fires one round for every pull of the trigger, functioning exactly like a semi-automatic shotgun which Hunter John Kerry might murder a dove with.

The military version might be able to fire semi auto, like it's civilian cousin, or burst, meaning typically 3 rounds are fired automatically for every single pull of the trigger or full auto, meaning the weapon will fire as a machine gun and continue firing as long as the trigger is being squeezed or it runs out of ammo. Or jams.

The options are dependant on the make and model.

If you replace the word 'gun' with 'speech' or 'sexual preference' or 'type of automobile' or 'home' or even 'boombox', you reveal the agenda of the lefts 'gun control' legislation of the last 20 years; totalitarianism.

 

[Tonio]

Re: Tonio...

Originally posted by Larry Gude
totalitarianism.

Are you sure it's not just clueless suburban moms who have deluded themselves into believing that gun control will protect their kids? Many of those moms didn't grow up in families or communities where people hunted.

 

[Sharon]

Re: Re: Tonio...

Originally posted by Tonio
Many of those moms didn't grow up in families or communities where people hunted.

I resemble that remark. Not all of these moms are clueless, some are just plain nuts!

I was reading a news article over the weekend where one of these liberal moms was upset because her child came home with a squirt-fish on the last day of school. The teacher gave them out to all the children because they had just finished a lesson on rainforest animals. The mom blew it into a big stink about her son getting a "toy gun".


Liberals are nuts

Young says she has strict guidelines at home and she wants her children to understand that guns are not toys. Young says two of her brothers were shot in domestic disputes, her uncle committed suicide with a gun and she accidentally shot her ex boyfriend when the gun she hit him with went off.

 

[Larry Gude]

The only thing...

Are you sure it's not just

...I'm sure of is that we live in a representative republic which means we choose the people who make our laws.

What anyone thinks they are getting in a candidate is beyond me past taking them at face value.

John Kerry is no secret in terms of a distinct, clear voting record. He is clear a a bell in terms of what he has supported over his career in public service. It should be a simple, obvious matter of what to expect from someone who is consistently left of Ted Kennedy.

Having said that, there are so many resources to check out what a particular piece of legislation is or will do, or a candidate, both from supporters and opponents that it must be accepted that a soccer mom or I have satisfied ourself of what we are supporting.

My fellow Americans.

 

[SmallTown]

Re: The only thing...

Originally posted by Larry Gude

John Kerry is no secret in terms of a distinct, clear voting record. He is clear a a bell in terms of what he has supported over his career in public service.

So which is it. One minute I see posts about how badly Kerry flip-flops, then you say his record is distinct and clear. Opponents say that because of this you have no idea how he may vote on an issue. Today. so which is it?

 

[Larry Gude]

Glad you asked!

...you see, Sen. Kerry voted, for instance, in his mind, for the $87 billion BEFORE he voted against it when it counted. He is very clear on this.

As far as guns go, he supports hunters rights and votes for the Brady Bill, the Assault Weapons ban and assorted and sundry other laws that restrict hunters rights. His record is very clear on this and if you are going to resort to personal attacks of this nature, then you are simply doing the work of the Republicans.

Further, he supported the Iraq War Resolution and we have no business being there in that quagmire. He voted against the Iraq War in 1991 and he fully supports the results of same. Again, if you are going to engage in personal attacks, then YOU must bare the responsibility of ignoring the issues and debasing our great nations political life into a quagmire of mudslinging and personal attacks.

He is very clear on this.

 

[sleuth]

IMO Kerry has a clear record of voting liberal, but anytime he is challenged to explain himself, or when the vote truly counts, he backpedals and says he doesn't mean it, which makes him a flip-flop.

 

[Tonio]

Re: The only thing...

Originally posted by Larry Gude
...I'm sure of is that we live in a representative republic which means we choose the people who make our laws.

My point was that we shouldn't go around accusing every single-issue advocacy group of having some sinister agenda. Larry, you're too smart to believe that someone like, say, Sarah Brady, wants to see America turn Communist. You're right that gun-control issues, like free-speech issues, raise serious questions about our freedoms.

 

[willie]

Re: Glad you asked!

Originally posted by Larry Gude
...you see, Sen. Kerry voted, for instance, in his mind, for the $87 billion BEFORE he voted against it when it counted. He is very clear on this.

As far as guns go, he supports hunters rights and votes for the Brady Bill, the Assault Weapons ban and assorted and sundry other laws that restrict hunters rights. His record is very clear on this and if you are going to resort to personal attacks of this nature, then you are simply doing the work of the Republicans.

Further, he supported the Iraq War Resolution and we have no business being there in that quagmire. He voted against the Iraq War in 1991 and he fully supports the results of same. Again, if you are going to engage in personal attacks, then YOU must bare the responsibility of ignoring the issues and debasing our great nations political life into a quagmire of mudslinging and personal attacks.

He is very clear on this.

He is very clear on what? His first thought or his second thought or was it his third?

 

[Larry Gude]

This election is far...

...to important...

His first thought or his second thought or was it his third?

...for that kind of Bush/Chenney/Rove attack machine slander.

 

[Larry Gude]

Tonio...

My point was that we shouldn't go around accusing every single-issue advocacy group of having some sinister agenda

I don't mean to call it sinister per se. I have to respect the rights and power of my fellow citizens. If they think that extending resources and effort into taking action against their fellow law abiding citizens is the answer, or even a partial answer, to what happens every day in terms of violent crime, well, all I can do is make my point and vote my way.

Larry, you're too smart

Chuck Shummer and my Aunt Debbie would not agree with that.