Judgment day looms for Saddam

SouthernMdRocks

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BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Three years after he gave himself up to American soldiers without firing a shot, Saddam Hussein may be condemned to hang on Sunday if an Iraqi court finds him guilty of crimes against humanity.

I'd watch!! :popcorn:
 

vraiblonde

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This is going to be interesting because the evidence against him is overwhelming, but they're predicting mass riots if he's found guilty.

:popcorn:
 

AndyMarquisLIVE

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vraiblonde said:
This is going to be interesting because the evidence against him is overwhelming, but they're predicting mass riots if he's found guilty.

:popcorn:

Yeah, I'll be watching... I hope they throw his ass in front of a firing squad.

:popcorn:
 

SouthernMdRocks

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vraiblonde said:
This is going to be interesting because the evidence against him is overwhelming, but they're predicting mass riots if he's found guilty.

:popcorn:

That doesn't surprise me that some would riot because somethings just not right with them people :jameo: to say the least. :whistle:
 

vraiblonde

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SouthernMdRocks said:
That doesn't surprise me that some would riot because somethings just not right with them people
Well, to be fair, the LA riots came about because of a jury verdict they didn't like. So it's not just Muslims that do this.
 

rack'm

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vraiblonde said:
Well, to be fair, the LA riots came about because of a jury verdict they didn't like. So it's not just Muslims that do this.


and like the Muslims, the LA rioters were burning down their own neighborhoods.

:killingme
 

SouthernMdRocks

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vraiblonde said:
Well, to be fair, the LA riots came about because of a jury verdict they didn't like. So it's not just Muslims that do this.

Oh I agree with that but I also think that some of those riot not even for the cause but just for the opportunity to do damage and get away with it.
 

vraiblonde

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SouthernMdRocks said:
Oh I agree with that but I also think that some of those riot not even for the cause but just for the opportunity to do damage and get away with it.
I definitely agree with that. What the hell do you accomplish by busting up the place and burning people out of their homes and businesses? You just make yourself look like a savage and any sympathy others might have had for you goes right out the window.
 

rack'm

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vraiblonde said:
I definitely agree with that. What the hell do you accomplish by busting up the place and burning people out of their homes and businesses? You just make yourself look like a savage and any sympathy others might have had for you goes right out the window.


That's what most of the middle east lives for. :killingme
 

PsyOps

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vraiblonde said:
This is going to be interesting because the evidence against him is overwhelming, but they're predicting mass riots if he's found guilty.

:popcorn:
Personally I think there will be celebration in the streets. The terrorists don't want him back. THEY and the insurgents want control. The only people that will probably cause any problems would be the die-hard Baathists.
 
SouthernMdRocks said:
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Three years after he gave himself up to American soldiers without firing a shot, Saddam Hussein may be condemned to hang on Sunday if an Iraqi court finds him guilty of crimes against humanity.

I resent the wording of this statement by Reuters that Saddam gave himself up. Who do think they are BS'ing. Saddam did NOT give himself up.

He was found cowering in a hidey hole after many days of relentless searching by United States forces. He had a weapon with him but was too cowardly to use it. He certainly did not give himself up.

The biggest mistake at that time was not throwing a grenade down the hole with him.

Now he faces punishment for his crimes against Humanity. Crimes I might add that are not considered crimes by many of his fellow countrymen as they still enjoy the same acts Saddam used to watch in his home movies and get off on.

IMO they should execute him immediately and then announce that he was found guilty and already executed. It would save a lot of time and trouble .
 

Larry Gude

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*cough*

vraiblonde said:
This is going to be interesting because the evidence against him is overwhelming, but they're predicting mass riots if he's found guilty.

:popcorn:


*ojsimpson*....*cough*

*rodneyking*...*cough*
 

Larry Gude

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I'd like to take you back...

...to 2003 and the time when Saddam was fist deposed. The pulling of the statue, the liberation of Iraq.

Celebration in the streets? Not really. Do you remember any feeling of 'Hey, you know, there really doesn't seem to be all that massive a turnout...hmm..."

We know what true, broad celebration looks like. We've seen it in video and pictures from Paris and Holland in WWII. We've seen the same thing in our own streets. Celebrating VE and VJ day.

Fact is, Saddam kept a bunch of losely attached people together by force. We took that control away and have been dealing with the fractured, naturally unassociated parts ever since.

I have ZERO faith of seeing Saddam dead any time soon. He knows his people FAR better than we thought we did. There are more people with everything on the line over there than just him; every single person associated with this trial have family and their own lives to consider.

Wanna know why the fear of retaliation is so big? Because NO ONE IS IN CONTROL.

What is Saddam is acquitted? What is there is some sort of split decision? What if they decide to hit him with a shoe...and set him free?

Does anyone on hear truly trust the judicial system of a messed up place like Iraq? Half of us don't trust our own Supreme Court.

I say hold on to your hats. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
 

PsyOps

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Larry Gude said:
Celebration in the streets? Not really. Do you remember any feeling of 'Hey, you know, there really doesn't seem to be all that massive a turnout...hmm..."

We know what true, broad celebration looks like. We've seen it in video and pictures from Paris and Holland in WWII. We've seen the same thing in our own streets. Celebrating VE and VJ day.
I believe there wasn’t this mass celebration, as you defined in your WWII example, is Iraqis knew Saddam was still out there somewhere. After 30+ years of Saddam-instilled fear Iraqis probably felt that Saddam would reappear and more defiant and brutal than before, especially against those that cheered his fall.

The biggest celebration in the streets of Iraq was 75% of the qualified voters went to the polls and voted in their new Constitution and government, then they went on with their lives going back to school, starting businesses and their stock market, trying to establish their new army and security.

Fact is, Saddam kept a bunch of losely attached people together by force. We took that control away and have been dealing with the fractured, naturally unassociated parts ever since.
This is absolutely true. Point is what? Do you think this was not going in all across liberated Europe (especially Germany) post-WWII? Another element you may have forgotten that contributes to the chaos in Iraq is just before Saddam realized he was going to lose the war he released thousands of prisoners. These prisoners were told that it was Saddam that is freeing them. Most of these prisoners were hardened criminals and are probably behind much of the violence in Iraq today.

I have ZERO faith of seeing Saddam dead any time soon. He knows his people FAR better than we thought we did. There are more people with everything on the line over there than just him; every single person associated with this trial have family and their own lives to consider.
You don’t believe, for the majority of Iraqis, there will be a big collective sigh of relief when/if Saddam is executed? Is it too impossible for you to believe that it may be that event that Iraqis have been waiting for to get that sense of freedom to take their country back; that, by Saddam’s very existence, Iraqis still live in a fear that prevents them from acting on this freedom that they have been given? I could be wrong about this, but I remain optimistic that Iraqis want this freedom and one less element (a huge element) in their belief that their freedom is threatened brings them that much closer to what they have desired all their lives.

What if Saddam is acquitted? What if there is some sort of split decision? What if they decide to hit him with a shoe...and set him free?
It’s my belief (and I mentioned this before) Saddam will never survive. If he stays in Iraq he will be killed; otherwise he will go into exile (in Syria), in which case he will probably be killed.

Does anyone on hear truly trust the judicial system of a messed up place like Iraq? Half of us don't trust our own Supreme Court.

I say hold on to your hats. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
I suppose you’re right about this, but again, I don’t think he stands to survive if acquitted and released.
 

Larry Gude

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Well...

PsyOps said:
I believe there wasn’t this mass celebration, as you defined in your WWII example, is Iraqis knew Saddam was still out there somewhere. After 30+ years of Saddam-instilled fear Iraqis probably felt that Saddam would reappear and more defiant and brutal than before, especially against those that cheered his fall.
It’s my belief (and I

...perhaps.

Just for comparison, Hitler wasn't exactly out of business in August 1944 and I'd think a man who dominated most of Europe for 5 years offered a good bit more to fear than a guy whose own capital had just been taken in 3 weeks.
 

Larry Gude

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And...

PsyOps said:
The biggest celebration in the streets of Iraq was 75% of the qualified voters went to the polls and voted in their new Constitution and government, then they went on with their lives going back to school, starting businesses and their stock market, trying to establish their new army and security.

...revenge; killing their neighbor and beheading folks from the wrong tribe or sect or...

I don't recall a second French Revolution, even give the nasty, inconvenient fact of Vichy France in the wake of WWII.

We bet on Iraqi national unity. Those people COUNTED on us to provide order and security seeings how we felt like disbanding any possible Iraqi force capable of providing that. I'd say things were fairly orderly and safe when 75% felt brave enough to vote.

What of today?
 
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