Just to Remind my fellow Democrats

rraley

New Member
This is what members of our party were saying a couple years ago...
When you are a politician, your words go "on the record" ... sometimes they may come back to haunt you ...
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>"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
>develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That
>is our bottom line."
>- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
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>"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We
>want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass
>destruction program."
>- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
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>Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal
>here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear,
>chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest
>security threat we face."
>- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
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>"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times
>since 1983."
>- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,1998
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>"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.
>Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate,
>air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to
>the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction
>programs."
>- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom
>Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry( D - MA), and others Oct. 9,1998
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>"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
>destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he
>has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
> > - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
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>"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
>destruction and palaces for his cronies."
>- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
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>"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons
>programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs
>continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam
>continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a
>licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten
>the United States and our allies."
>- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others,
>December 5, 2001
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>"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat
>to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the
>United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of
>delivering them."
>- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept.
>19, 2002
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>"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
>weapons throughout his country."
>- Al Gore, Sept.
>23, 2002
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>"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to
>deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in
>power."
>- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
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>"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing
>weapons of mass destruction."
>- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
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>"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
>confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
>biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to
>build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence
>reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
>- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
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>"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority
>to use force-if necessary-to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a
>deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and
>grave threat to our security."
>- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
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>"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively
>to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the
>next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated
>the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
>- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
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>"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every
>significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his
>chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has
>refused to do"
>- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
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>"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that
>Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons
>stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also
>given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda
>members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will
>continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare,
>and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
>- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
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>"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam
>Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for
>the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
>- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
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>"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
>murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ...
>He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently
>prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response
>to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass
>destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
>destruction is real"
>- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
 

Pete

Repete
:clap: :clap: BRAVO, now you are a Democrat with integity and while I disagree with you on some fundamental issues of domestic policy I applaud your courage at posting these quotes.
 

Nanny Pam

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Originally posted by Pete
:clap: :clap: BRAVO, now you are a Democrat with integity and while I disagree with you on some fundamental issues of domestic policy I applaud your courage at posting these quotes.

:yeahthat: :clap:
 
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dems4me

Guest
Originally posted by rraley
This is what members of our party were saying a couple years ago...

Are you smoking something (but not inhaling)???:confused:
 

Ehesef

Yo Gabba Gabba
Re: Re: Just to Remind my fellow Democrats

Originally posted by dems4me
Originally posted by rraley
This is what members of our party were saying a couple years ago...

Are you smoking something (but not inhaling)???:confused:
What do you not understand?
 
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dems4me

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Re: Re: Re: Just to Remind my fellow Democrats

Originally posted by Ehesef
What do you not understand?

Lighten up - it was meant as a joke. :cussing:

Obviously I understood the message, I just wasn't sure why someone would post all that and say he's a dem. Just the same as I don't expect to open a thread to read Bruzilla or CEO Pete talking about all the dumb things Republicans have said. I admit his frankness though.:cheesy:
 
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dems4me

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Just to Remind my fellow Democrats

Originally posted by dems4me
Lighten up - it was meant as a joke. :cussing:

Obviously I understood the message, I just wasn't sure why someone would post all that and say he's a dem. Just the same as I don't expect to open a thread to read Bruzilla or CEO Pete talking about all the dumb things Republicans have said. I admit his frankness though.:cheesy:


oops !!! Before I get attacked and mauled I meant to say "I admit I like his frankness though":biggrin:
 
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justhangn

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Just to Remind my fellow Democrats

Originally posted by dems4me
Lighten up - it was meant as a joke. :cussing:
.:cheesy:
and you expect these people to have a sense of humor too?? :spank:
 

Ehesef

Yo Gabba Gabba
Re: Re: Re: Re: Just to Remind my fellow Democrats

Originally posted by dems4me
Lighten up - it was meant as a joke. :cussing:

Obviously I understood the message, I just wasn't sure why someone would post all that and say he's a dem. Just the same as I don't expect to open a thread to read Bruzilla or CEO Pete talking about all the dumb things Republicans have said. I admit his frankness though.:cheesy:
Who's pizzed?

Because he's a mature adult that realizes that his party is screwing up by saying that they never believed there were any WMD in Iraq, when in fact they did. I can see Bruzilla admitting something like that about the Repubs.
 
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dems4me

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just to Remind my fellow Democrats

Originally posted by justhangn
and you expect these people to have a sense of humor too?? :spank:


Stop that -- ouch!!! That hurt my head!!!:burning:
 

Toxick

Splat
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just to Remind my fellow Democrats

Originally posted by dems4me
oops !!! Before I get attacked and mauled I meant to say "I admit I like his frankness though":biggrin:


Right next to the quote link there's a link called edit.
Exactly for this reason.

Those were some interesting quotes above, and I think that folks on both sides of the aisle, particularly democrats, should be examining those with a fine toothed comb, particularly Kerry supporters.
 

Tonio

Asperger's Poster Child
RRaley, although I'm not a party voter, I thought you might find this interesting:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10620-2004Feb26.html

...CNN's Larry King, who moderated the debate, asked Kerry, who opposes the death penalty except in cases of terrorism, why he opposes putting to death those who kill children.

Kerry replied: "Larry, my instinct is to want to strangle that person with my own hands. I understand the instincts, I really do. I prosecuted people. I know what the feeling of the families is and everybody else. But we have 111 people who have been now released from death row -- death row, let alone the rest of the prison system -- because of DNA evidence that showed they didn't commit the crime of which they were convicted."

The question was reminiscent of one that went to 1988 Democratic presidential nominee Michael S. Dukakis in a debate with Bush's father that Dukakis bobbled to his later regret. Kerry was having none of that Thursday night, with an answer designed to show his outrage at such heinous crimes while standing behind his general opposition to the death penalty.
 
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dems4me

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just to Remind my fellow Democrats

Originally posted by Ehesef
Who's pizzed?

Because he's a mature adult that realizes that his party is screwing up by saying that they never believed there were any WMD in Iraq, when in fact they did. I can see Bruzilla admitting something like that about the Repubs.

no offense Eshef -- but 99% of the time you reply to one of my posts its generally not a nice post towards me. I am almost beginning to think that you lurk around to see when I post so you (as fast as you can) can shoot off a mean reply. What gives? A moron could have understood what rralley was doing. I just found it a little odd, just like if Bush was to spend an hour typing in all the dumb things the Republicans have said in the past 50 years and then Bush posts them on a democratic forum.
 
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dems4me

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just to Remind my fellow Democrats

Originally posted by Toxick
Right next to the quote link there's a link called edit.
Exactly for this reason.

Those were some interesting quotes above, and I think that folks on both sides of the aisle, particularly democrats, should be examining those with a fine toothed comb, particularly Kerry supporters.

Thanks Tox -- I'll have to rememer that next time. Things are hectic here today (at work) but at least it's FRIDAY!!!:dance:
 

Ehesef

Yo Gabba Gabba
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just to Remind my fellow Democrats

Originally posted by dems4me
no offense Eshef -- but 99% of the time you reply to one of my posts its generally not a nice post towards me. I am almost beginning to think that you lurk around to see when I post so you (as fast as you can) can shoot off a mean reply. What gives? A moron could have understood what rralley was doing. I just found it a little odd, just like if Bush was to spend an hour typing in all the dumb things the Republicans have said in the past 50 years and then Bush posts them on a democratic forum.
Yep that's exactly what I do. I stalk you.
 
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Bruzilla

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Since I've been drug into this...

I don't see anything dumb about what Bush or Clinton said about Iraq. They were both going on the same intelligence data, which was the same stuff that I saw most everyday. I'm still not convinced that there are no WMDs in Iraq. We know they were there, so they weren't a figment of someone's imagination. Where did they go? You've got millions of square miles of places to stash stuff out there.

BTW, since the Democrats are so into the environment, I'm shocked that they aren't raising hell about the alledged disposal of the WMDs. I would have thought that Iraqis dumping tons of biological and chemical agents into pits in the sand, which could leach out of the ground or be accidentally uncovered, would have Dems up in arms!!!

But to the point, I think that most of us Republicans on this site have accused Bush of doing stupid stuff. The Prescription Drug plan comes to mind. I've said I'm against most of the Patriot Act, and that I thought most of our Homeland Security effort is a joke.

In any case, I don't see the election hinging on the war. It's all going to come down to money, and which candidate will put, or take, the most money from/into peoples' pockets.
 

rraley

New Member
Originally posted by Bruzilla
In any case, I don't see the election hinging on the war. It's all going to come down to money, and which candidate will put, or take, the most money from/into peoples' pockets.

I am going to have to agree with you here...and since the election will be about the economy and the budget, I cannot see George W. Bush being reelected in my humble opinion.

As to why I posted this (some of the other Democrats here said that I was being stupid, etc. in fact I think that someone even called me a Republican). I posted this because I want the Democratic Party to win in the next election and the only way to do that is not to be hypocritical. Hitting Bush on Iraq is the wrong debate for us and the nation because the concept of going in was sound despite the administration's lead up to it.

As for calling me a Republican, I think that it is time for Democrats to stop doing that sort of a thing. My political leanings are based on the core principles of the party (which includes internationalism and interventionism, e.g. Iraq). Just because I disagree with the way that the party goes about doing things in certain instances does not mean that I am in some way a conservative Republican. Please if you want call fellow Democrats Republicans, go join up with Howard Dean's "Change for America" team and get ready to have a small, fringe political coalition as the Democratic Party.
 

ylexot

Super Genius
Originally posted by rraley
I am going to have to agree with you here...and since the election will be about the economy and the budget, I cannot see George W. Bush being reelected in my humble opinion.
I agree that the election will be about the economy and the budget, but I don't see that being a thumbs down for Bush. Last time I looked, the economy was doing well and getting better. As for the budget...yeah, I'm not too impressed. Of course, I have yet to hear where the Democrats would cut the budget. They fault Bush because he's "not giving enough supporting to the troops" and then say that he wants too much money for Iraq????? Then they want to take away tax cuts so they can start a government healthcare system????? Where are they going to save money so we don't have a deficit? I haven't heard that one yet.
 

rraley

New Member
I am going to have to disagree with your assessment of the economy, sir. 2.2 million jobs lost in the past four years and decreasing wages (as opposed to inflation). Now January did post job gains but this week the number of jobless claims increased. There is economic growth but it is coming in the form of profits for companies that send their jobs to India or Mexico because our tax code rewards that and workers over there work for slave wages basically. And I do not believe that President Bush wants to stop it (after all his economic adviser says that outsourcing to India is a good thing).

As for the Democrats and the budget. John Kerry and John Edwards has a plan to cut the deficit in half in a couple years by repealing the Bush tax cuts for those with incomes over $200,000. Kerry's math doesn't seem to add up as well as Edwards', but they still have a plan to do it. And to counter your point, I have yet to hear of the president's plans to cut things either. After all he wants to spend billions of dollars so we can go to Mars while neglecting the millions without a job here. Bush's track record tells me that he won't stop excessive spending or his reckless tax cuts (reckless because he cuts taxes but increases spending, makes no effing sense). Like I usually say, I can take a tax and spender or a no tax and no spender. But a no tax but spend candidate like George W. Bush is just awful.
 
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