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EmptyTimCup
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Wow ...... How would this play out, with separation of powers / States Rights
could the FED force a state to place someone on the ballot ?
Wow ...... How would this play out, with separation of powers / States Rights
could the FED force a state to place someone on the ballot ?
Wirelessly posted
Since you are reposting the story from TPM (that you apparently got a day late because you get all our news through times247) I figured I would give you a link to the thread about that exact story.
http://forums.somd.com/wap/GetThread.php?t=255163&bat=
There is another thread floating around that says the guy who filed the complainant has withdrawn it. I am sure times247 won't be feeding you that info anytime soon
EmptyTimCup said:
Wow ...... How would this play out, with separation of powers / States Rights
could the FED force a state to place someone on the ballot ?
Since you are reposting the story from TPM (that you apparently got a day late because you get all our news through times247) I figured I would give you a link to the thread about that exact story.
http://forums.somd.com/wap/GetThread.php?t=255163&bat=
There is another thread floating around that says the guy who filed the complainant has withdrawn it. I am sure times247 won't be feeding you that info anytime soon
JPCusick
My real name.
Response.
I say the EmptyCup" has a bigger point that the State of Kansas has indeed jeopardized the State's rights, because if they did keep President Obama off of their State ballot then I would expect the State officials would be prosecuted for such an offense, and thereafter the Feds would indeed need to take away the rights of any such State to do such a thing ever again.
It is the Republicans who are playing the infamous game of "Crying Wolf" when there is no wolf, and it can come back to bite them where they do not want it to bite them.
I say the EmptyCup" has a bigger point that the State of Kansas has indeed jeopardized the State's rights, because if they did keep President Obama off of their State ballot then I would expect the State officials would be prosecuted for such an offense, and thereafter the Feds would indeed need to take away the rights of any such State to do such a thing ever again.
It is the Republicans who are playing the infamous game of "Crying Wolf" when there is no wolf, and it can come back to bite them where they do not want it to bite them.
Rommey
Well-Known Member
Prosecuted for what? Let's see, the Secretary of State has the responsibility for ensuring that all persons on the ballot are eligible for the office they are seeking. If the Secretary of State has doubts, or other reasons to investigate, then they have a duty to verify all information beyond a reasonable doubt. If that involves taking someone off the ballot until those doubts are sufficiently satisfied, then there isn't much that anyone can say, let alone prosecute.
Let me ask you how the State of Kansas verified that Obama is eligible for the office he is running for? What was the procedure for Kansas to allow him (or anyone) to be allowed to be on the ballot?
Ever hear of the 10th Amendment?
retired-libera
New Member
Am I missing something here? Obama's mom is whiter than the sheets on my bed, and a citizen way before the south took those same sheets off their heads. You can be born on the damn moon, mars, Kenya or Kansas, as long as ONE parent was a citizen of these United States then your AUTOMATICALLY a citizen. Why do people overlook that fact??? I think some white people have some sort of race guilt going on and people won't admit to having blacks in their family. Even Thomas Jefferson had black children. Dig further in your past and just maybe that black guy sitting on the bus stop could be a long lost cousin. That's probably why they don't dig, even back ONE obvious generation!
JPCusick
My real name.
Repair.
Prosecuted for interfering with the election process - the due process of law.
For interfering with the American democratic process.
Federal elections are under the Federal rules and Federal authority.
If the State of Kansas were to buck-that and defy-that then the feds would be compelled to act / react.
Not Kansas nor any State can reject the given laws of the US Federal gov.
The birth certificate was provided by the State of Hawaii and that is it - that is the law.
So Kansas has no authority to challenge or to contradict the State of Hawaii in that claim.
The procedure for Kansas is the same for every State which is that they must follow the law and that law is already mandated.
When a State exceeds its authority then the 10th Amendment is indeed challenged and threatened.
The 10th would not hold up as a defense in a federal Court for some Kansas official who willfully interferes with the American Presidential election - not hardly.
The federal election laws are already long established and not a State's right.
Prosecuted for interfering with the election process - the due process of law.
For interfering with the American democratic process.
Federal elections are under the Federal rules and Federal authority.
If the State of Kansas were to buck-that and defy-that then the feds would be compelled to act / react.
Not Kansas nor any State can reject the given laws of the US Federal gov.
The birth certificate was provided by the State of Hawaii and that is it - that is the law.
So Kansas has no authority to challenge or to contradict the State of Hawaii in that claim.
The procedure for Kansas is the same for every State which is that they must follow the law and that law is already mandated.
When a State exceeds its authority then the 10th Amendment is indeed challenged and threatened.
The 10th would not hold up as a defense in a federal Court for some Kansas official who willfully interferes with the American Presidential election - not hardly.
The federal election laws are already long established and not a State's right.
struggler44
A Salute to all on Watch
I may be wrong but I thought YOU had to be a natural-born citizen to be Pres.....didn't know you had to be white.....you dems have some funny requirements
bcp
In My Opinion
Prosecuted for interfering with the election process - the due process of law.
For interfering with the American democratic process.
Federal elections are under the Federal rules and Federal authority.
If the State of Kansas were to buck-that and defy-that then the feds would be compelled to act / react.
Not Kansas nor any State can reject the given laws of the US Federal gov.
The birth certificate was provided by the State of Hawaii and that is it - that is the law.
So Kansas has no authority to challenge or to contradict the State of Hawaii in that claim.
The procedure for Kansas is the same for every State which is that they must follow the law and that law is already mandated.
When a State exceeds its authority then the 10th Amendment is indeed challenged and threatened.
The 10th would not hold up as a defense in a federal Court for some Kansas official who willfully interferes with the American Presidential election - not hardly.
The federal election laws are already long established and not a State's right.
Im glad to see that you wish that elected official be prosicuted for circumventing their authority.
To me this means that you would welcome your hero obama's prosicution for overlooking is duities as defind in the Constitution.
Am I correct here?
And I am certain that you would like to see this prior to him taking office again in January right?
bcp
In My Opinion
I have dug back, (actually a great aunt did years ago ) I have nothing there as far as blacks in the family.
retired-libera
New Member
You can be born on the damn moon, mars, Kenya or Kansas, as long as ONE parent was a citizen of these United States then you are AUTOMATICALLY a citizen. Why do people overlook that fact?If you go the natural born citizen route then Mccain was not eligable __ born in panama .
Rommey
Well-Known Member
How can ensuring only eligible persons are on the ballot be interfering with the election process?
There are no "Federal Elections"; all elections are conducted by the individual states. Sure there are Federal guidelines and regulations, but it is up to the states to administer the elections. The Federal Elections Commission has no say in how a candidate gets on the ballot.
They have no say in the matter, unless they could prove malicious or discrimination actions. Ensuring the candidates meet the eligibility for the office they are seeking is not malicious nor discriminatory.
Which law, specifically?
The State of Hawaii has never provided the birth certificate to anyone, except maybe for Obama himself. The State of Hawaii has blocked all access to outsiders from access, as they should, unless the person involved gives permission. It would be like giving me a copy of your birth certificate. Unless I have a legal need, I'm not likely to get it unless you give permission.
So the State of Hawaii controls what the State of Kansas does? The State of Kansas has all the authority to accept or reject any evidence, documents, proof, etc. before allowing anyone to be on their state's ballots.
The 50 states each have their own procedures. It is the individual state laws that are used to conduct the elections.
The election for President in Kansas is determined by Kansas law.
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The actual rules, not the brain farts you used.
Can you, of your own personal knowledge, attest that all of these are in fact true?
The thread may be about Kansas, but the post I responded to was actually about citizenship which is national (not only about Kansas). Don't you ever get tired of failing? I know I get tired of correcting you.
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Hessian
Well-Known Member
Up to speed?
The ho that birfed obama was underage....the philanderer who some claim was the father was a Kenyan (ie colony of Britain). The BC that was released from the WH is so fraudulent it is considered a joke (even foreign forensic teams agree.) The quotes from family members and obama's own comments caught on tape leave serious doubt that he is a natural born American.
Impeachment is too good for him.
Next: take a look at who was mentoring him in his "tender years" and then ponder why we don't have ONE SINGLE transcript from college...then throw on the multiple social security numbers...he is a fraud: top to bottom. Always has been. Always will be...the Chicago dope-smoking community fire-hydrant painter. President? NEVER qualified, ...never will be...not my president-ever.
The ho that birfed obama was underage....the philanderer who some claim was the father was a Kenyan (ie colony of Britain). The BC that was released from the WH is so fraudulent it is considered a joke (even foreign forensic teams agree.) The quotes from family members and obama's own comments caught on tape leave serious doubt that he is a natural born American.
Impeachment is too good for him.
Next: take a look at who was mentoring him in his "tender years" and then ponder why we don't have ONE SINGLE transcript from college...then throw on the multiple social security numbers...he is a fraud: top to bottom. Always has been. Always will be...the Chicago dope-smoking community fire-hydrant painter. President? NEVER qualified, ...never will be...not my president-ever.
JPCusick
My real name.
Repair.
That is really what I meant in that the State of Kansas trying to behave like that and thereby trying to interfere with the Presidential candidate and the election process - then that creates the possibility of the federal gov creating new laws to prevent this from ever being done again, and thereby the States will lose the States' right regarding the federal elections.
My point was emphasizing what the "EmptyCup's" original posting of this thread said - that if the State of Kansas wants to play rough and make a scene like this then they risk the federal authority to take away that right of the States.
Kansas does not get to decide who is a citizen of Hawaii or a citizen of the USA, especially after that identification and qualification has been decided by the federal authority.
If the State requires force then that is what the feds do when necessary.
That is really what I meant in that the State of Kansas trying to behave like that and thereby trying to interfere with the Presidential candidate and the election process - then that creates the possibility of the federal gov creating new laws to prevent this from ever being done again, and thereby the States will lose the States' right regarding the federal elections.
My point was emphasizing what the "EmptyCup's" original posting of this thread said - that if the State of Kansas wants to play rough and make a scene like this then they risk the federal authority to take away that right of the States.
Kansas does not get to decide who is a citizen of Hawaii or a citizen of the USA, especially after that identification and qualification has been decided by the federal authority.
If the State requires force then that is what the feds do when necessary.
ItalianScallion
Harley Rider
I'm goin' to Kansas City, Kansas City here I come.
Don't have Obama on the ballot so I'm a gonna vote the other one...
Don't have Obama on the ballot so I'm a gonna vote the other one...
If his citizenship wasn't in question, then this particular group (Marylanders) wouldn't be having this conversation.
Are you incapable of doing any research, even when you're given he answer? As for the last part, I will leave it up to others to prove or disprove.
Wirelessly posted
I did the research 4 years ago. I don't need to again, if you could prove what you say you would link it. What's the matter, cut it from a birther site?
Funny that when YOU want to give your opinion about things happening other places that's ok, but when I do you give me a bunch of ****. Guess what, Marylanders were talking about stuff in Kansas in that other thread too
Merlin99 said:
I did the research 4 years ago. I don't need to again, if you could prove what you say you would link it. What's the matter, cut it from a birther site?
Funny that when YOU want to give your opinion about things happening other places that's ok, but when I do you give me a bunch of ****. Guess what, Marylanders were talking about stuff in Kansas in that other thread too