Kansas considers taking Obama off ballot

[Tech]

Would these new federal election laws that you speak not require an admendment to the Consitution since the states have a right to "appoint their Electors in such manner as their Legislature thereof may direct".

 

[Merlin99]

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I did the research 4 years ago. I don't need to again, if you could prove what you say you would link it. What's the matter, cut it from a birther site?

Funny that when YOU want to give your opinion about things happening other places that's ok, but when I do you give me a bunch of ****. Guess what, Marylanders were talking about stuff in Kansas in that other thread too

If you did the research then you know I was correct, unfortunately I think you are confusing your arguments. I said

For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:
The person's parents were married at the time of birth
One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born
The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday

and i don't think you really want to dispute it. As for the last part, you were being a douche, so I felt obligated to give you ####.

 

[thatguy]

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I did the research 4 years ago. I don't need to again, if you could prove what you say you would link it. What's the matter, cut it from a birther site?

Funny that when YOU want to give your opinion about things happening other places that's ok, but when I do you give me a bunch of ****. Guess what, Marylanders were talking about stuff in Kansas in that other thread too

If you did the research then you know I was correct, unfortunately I think you are confusing your arguments. I said

For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:
The person's parents were married at the time of birth
One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born
The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday

and i don't think you really want to dispute it. As for the last part, you were being a douche, so I felt obligated to give you ####.

That particular statement applies to children born outside the US to children of US citizens, not to people born in the USA.
That birther tack was debunked 4 years ago.

 

[Merlin99]

Am I missing something here? Obama's mom is whiter than the sheets on my bed, and a citizen way before the south took those same sheets off their heads. You can be born on the damn moon, mars, Kenya or Kansas, as long as ONE parent was a citizen of these United States then your AUTOMATICALLY a citizen. Why do people overlook that fact??? I think some white people have some sort of race guilt going on and people won't admit to having blacks in their family. Even Thomas Jefferson had black children. Dig further in your past and just maybe that black guy sitting on the bus stop could be a long lost cousin. That's probably why they don't dig, even back ONE obvious generation!

I was responding to this statement, showing that it was patently false.

Wirelessly postedThat particular statement applies to children born outside the US to children of US citizens, not to people born in the USA.
That birther tack was debunked 4 years ago.

That you read into it something more is your fault.

 

[Rommey]

Kansas does not get to decide who is a citizen of Hawaii or a citizen of the USA, especially after that identification and qualification has been decided by the federal authority.

Kansas most certainly does get to decide who is eligible for the office they are seeking before they are placed on a Kansas ballot. If part of the eligibility require the candidate to be a natural born citizen, then they most definitely have the responsibility to ensure the candidate meets that requirement. They don't get to decide if they are a citizen, they have to ensure they are a citizen.

Which federal authority has decided "that identification and qualification"?

 

[-SS-]

You can be born on the damn moon, mars, Kenya or Kansas, as long as ONE parent was a citizen of these United States then you are AUTOMATICALLY a citizen. Why do people overlook that fact?If you go the natural born citizen route then Mccain was not eligable __ born in panama .

Sorry, but cant help but laugh at your profound ignorance and the audacity to state it as "fact". To wit:

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be genetically related to the child to transmit U.S. citizenship.

Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship by a Child Born Abroad

As you can see, it's not "automatic" if you were born on the moon or anywhere else that isnt a part of the USA.

Whoops.

 

[thatguy]

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Am I missing something here? Obama's mom is whiter than the sheets on my bed, and a citizen way before the south took those same sheets off their heads. You can be born on the damn moon, mars, Kenya or Kansas, as long as ONE parent was a citizen of these United States then your AUTOMATICALLY a citizen. Why do people overlook that fact??? I think some white people have some sort of race guilt going on and people won't admit to having blacks in their family. Even Thomas Jefferson had black children. Dig further in your past and just maybe that black guy sitting on the bus stop could be a long lost cousin. That's probably why they don't dig, even back ONE obvious generation!

I was responding to this statement, showing that it was patently false.

Wirelessly postedThat particular statement applies to children born outside the US to children of US citizens, not to people born in the USA.
That birther tack was debunked 4 years ago.

That you read into it something more is your fault.

:totalfail:
The thread is about Obama, the discussion was about Obama, and in the same post you posted your "rules" you asked retiredliberal

Can you, of your own personal knowledge, attest that all of these are in fact true?

But nice backtrack trying to claim you weren't talking about Obama.

 

[EmptyTimCup]

the stick point is, Obama's Mother had not been living in US Territory for 10 yrs after her 14th birthday, when the Big O was born

 

[thatguy]

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the stick point is, Obama's Mother had not been living in US Territory for 10 yrs after her 14th birthday, when the Big O was born

No, the sticking point is that Obama was born in Hawaii, so that statement does not apply.

 

[Merlin99]

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:totalfail:
The thread is about Obama, the discussion was about Obama, and in the same post you posted your "rules" you asked retiredliberal




But nice backtrack trying to claim you weren't talking about Obama.

There's a guy right above you who pointed out the same law, you better let him know that he's dissing your boyfriend also.

 

[thatguy]

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:totalfail:
The thread is about Obama, the discussion was about Obama, and in the same post you posted your "rules" you asked retiredliberal




But nice backtrack trying to claim you weren't talking about Obama.

There's a guy right above you who pointed out the same law, you better let him know that he's dissing your boyfriend also.

So now you were talking about Obama? Do you confuse yourself with your flip flops?


BTW, SS didn't misrepresent the information, he provided the full quote that shows it does not apply to people born in America, and he provided the link that you refused to. Additionally, he actually limited his comment to the statement about being born abroad.

 

[struggler44]

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Since you are reposting the story from TPM (that you apparently got a day late because you get all our news through times247) I figured I would give you a link to the thread about that exact story.
Kansas Goes Birther - Southern Maryland Community Forums

There is another thread floating around that says the guy who filed the complainant has withdrawn it. I am sure times247 won't be feeding you that info anytime soon

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Coonsidering you didn't provide a link how could he even verify us these are the rules for persons actually born in the USA?

BTW, this thread is about Kansas and how they verify eligibility. What are you doing commenting about it anyway?

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Except that Obama's citizenship is not at issue in Maryland.


Additionally, the information you provided was unrefenced and, as I remember from early birther debates, not applicable to Obama.

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I did the research 4 years ago. I don't need to again, if you could prove what you say you would link it. What's the matter, cut it from a birther site?

Funny that when YOU want to give your opinion about things happening other places that's ok, but when I do you give me a bunch of ****. Guess what, Marylanders were talking about stuff in Kansas in that other thread too

Wirelessly posted



That particular statement applies to children born outside the US to children of US citizens, not to people born in the USA.
That birther tack was debunked 4 years ago.

Wirelessly posted



:totalfail:
The thread is about Obama, the discussion was about Obama, and in the same post you posted your "rules" you asked retiredliberal




But nice backtrack trying to claim you weren't talking about Obama.

Wirelessly posted



No, the sticking point is that Obama was born in Hawaii, so that statement does not apply.

Wirelessly posted



So now you were talking about Obama? Do you confuse yourself with your flip flops?


BTW, SS didn't misrepresent the information, he provided the full quote that shows it does not apply to people born in America, and he provided the link that you refused to. Additionally, he actually limited his comment to the statement about being born abroad.

Today is Sunday, you should go outside and get yourself some fresh air.......

 

[thatguy]

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Since you are reposting the story from TPM (that you apparently got a day late because you get all our news through times247) I figured I would give you a link to the thread about that exact story.
Kansas Goes Birther - Southern Maryland Community Forums

There is another thread floating around that says the guy who filed the complainant has withdrawn it. I am sure times247 won't be feeding you that info anytime soon

Wirelessly posted



Coonsidering you didn't provide a link how could he even verify us these are the rules for persons actually born in the USA?

BTW, this thread is about Kansas and how they verify eligibility. What are you doing commenting about it anyway?

Wirelessly posted



Except that Obama's citizenship is not at issue in Maryland.


Additionally, the information you provided was unrefenced and, as I remember from early birther debates, not applicable to Obama.

Wirelessly posted



I did the research 4 years ago. I don't need to again, if you could prove what you say you would link it. What's the matter, cut it from a birther site?

Funny that when YOU want to give your opinion about things happening other places that's ok, but when I do you give me a bunch of ****. Guess what, Marylanders were talking about stuff in Kansas in that other thread too

Wirelessly posted



That particular statement applies to children born outside the US to children of US citizens, not to people born in the USA.
That birther tack was debunked 4 years ago.

Wirelessly posted



:totalfail:
The thread is about Obama, the discussion was about Obama, and in the same post you posted your "rules" you asked retiredliberal




But nice backtrack trying to claim you weren't talking about Obama.

Wirelessly posted



No, the sticking point is that Obama was born in Hawaii, so that statement does not apply.

Wirelessly posted



So now you were talking about Obama? Do you confuse yourself with your flip flops?


BTW, SS didn't misrepresent the information, he provided the full quote that shows it does not apply to people born in America, and he provided the link that you refused to. Additionally, he actually limited his comment to the statement about being born abroad.

Today is Sunday, you should go outside and get yourself some fresh air.......

I plan on it, just like I did yesterday.

 

[Merlin99]

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So now you were talking about Obama? Do you confuse yourself with your flip flops?


BTW, SS didn't misrepresent the information, he provided the full quote that shows it does not apply to people born in America, and he provided the link that you refused to. Additionally, he actually limited his comment to the statement about being born abroad.

How did your mentioning Obama translate to I was talking about him? Sometimes circular logic is amusing. SS's info doesn't show anything that mine didn't, the only difference is that that it wasn't from me.

 

[thatguy]

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So now you were talking about Obama? Do you confuse yourself with your flip flops?


BTW, SS didn't misrepresent the information, he provided the full quote that shows it does not apply to people born in America, and he provided the link that you refused to. Additionally, he actually limited his comment to the statement about being born abroad.

How did your mentioning Obama translate to I was talking about him? Sometimes circular logic is amusing. SS's info doesn't show anything that mine didn't, the only difference is that that it wasn't from me.

Actually SSs post does have a lot of info you cut out. It also had the link so that it could be verified.


And your denial is hilarious. there hread is about obama, the discussion is about obama..... Who were you talking about here if not Obama?

Can you, of your own personal knowledge, attest that all of these are in fact true?

 

[Merlin99]

You can be born on the damn moon, mars, Kenya or Kansas, as long as ONE parent was a citizen of these United States then you are AUTOMATICALLY a citizen. Why do people overlook that fact?If you go the natural born citizen route then Mccain was not eligable __ born in panama .

The post that I originally responded to that has the wrong information.

The actual rules, not the brain farts you used.

For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:
The person's parents were married at the time of birth
One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born
The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.

Can you, of your own personal knowledge, attest that all of these are in fact true?

The true information, as you can see it is in response to him saying that anyone living outside of the US, with one US born parent, is automatically a citizen.

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Actually SSs post does have a lot of info you cut out. It also had the link so that it could be verified.

And your denial is hilarious. there hread is about obama, the discussion is about obama..... Who were you talking about here if not Obama?

what you want to believe past that point, I've got past the point of caring.

 

[JPCusick]

Repair.

Would these new federal election laws that you speak not require an admendment to the Consitution since the states have a right to "appoint their Electors in such manner as their Legislature thereof may direct".

It might, or could, but many if not most Americans and our Political leaders do not want to tamper with the US Constitution.

I would say that any State as like Kansas could face severe retribution based on the 14th Amendment Section 1: No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; ... and ... nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. And then Section 5: The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. Link.

If Kansas failed to put President Obama on their ballot then it would be a violation of the 14thA by denying the Kansas citizens of their lawful right to vote.


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Which federal authority has decided "that identification and qualification"?

The Federal Election Commission.

Link = The F.E.C. - Quick Answers to Candidates

 

[thatguy]

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You can be born on the damn moon, mars, Kenya or Kansas, as long as ONE parent was a citizen of these United States then you are AUTOMATICALLY a citizen. Why do people overlook that fact?If you go the natural born citizen route then Mccain was not eligable __ born in panama .

The post that I originally responded to that has the wrong information.

The actual rules, not the brain farts you used.

For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:
The person's parents were married at the time of birth
One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born
The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.

Can you, of your own personal knowledge, attest that all of these are in fact true?

The true information, as you can see it is in response to him saying that anyone living outside of the US, with one US born parent, is automatically a citizen.

Actually SSs post does have a lot of info you cut out. It also had the link so that it could be verified.

And your denial is hilarious. there hread is about obama, the discussion is about obama..... Who were you talking about here if not Obama?

what you want to believe past that point, I've got past the point of caring.

he was talking about Obama, and included Kansas as one of the possible places of birth. Your statement at the end clearly shows that you were talking about Obama. But please, continue with your denial

Can you, of your own personal knowledge, attest that all of these are in fact true?

Who exactly were you asking him to attest to facts about if not Obama?

 

[Rommey]

The Federal Election Commission.

Link = The F.E.C. - Quick Answers to Candidates

The FEC deals with campaign funding and finances, not eligibility for office.

You stated:

Kansas does not get to decide who is a citizen of Hawaii or a citizen of the USA, especially after that identification and qualification has been decided by the federal authority.

So where in your FAQ post does it answer this question?

 

[-SS-]

It might, or could, but many if not most Americans and our Political leaders do not want to tamper with the US Constitution.

I would say that any State as like Kansas could face severe retribution based on the 14th Amendment Section 1: No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; ... and ... nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. And then Section 5: The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. Link.

If Kansas failed to put President Obama on their ballot then it would be a violation of the 14thA by denying the Kansas citizens of their lawful right to vote.


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The Federal Election Commission.

Link = The F.E.C. - Quick Answers to Candidates

Comprehension isnt a strong point of yours, is it?

Look at the OP; it mentions Owebama "being a citizen" as questionable due to insufficient evidence over his birth certificate.

Now re-read the 14th Amendment. Notice that word citizen in there? If the State doesnt believe he is a citizen, he is not afforded Constitutionally secured Rights as a Citizen to run for office.

You must be a Democrat.