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rraley said:
Let's put aside all of the economic and foreign policy disasters that Carter has been behind, and look at Habitat for Humanity for a second as this operation has recently impacted me directly. The premise, like all of Carter's premises, is that we can help our fellow man by extending a welcoming hand, and they will return in same. The idea that we'll get free labor and supplies to build nice houses for poor people who otherwise couldn't afford them sounds pretty noble, but it goes against the core principal of human existence, that being that you respect more what you have earned.
My neighborhood has received seven Habitat for Humanity houses over the past year. They are very nice three bedroom houses that I watched a lot of volunteers build up on the weekends and some days during the week. And they were all given to needy families from the Jacksonville area. Now, here's my first question. All seven houses were given to Black families, despite the fact that poor Black families make up about 5% of the population down here, while White familes at the same income level make up about 15%. So how is it that not one White family gets a house??? So let's face it... it's not Habitat for Humanity, it's Houses for Black Families.
So now that we've taken all of these poor, disadvantaged, families out of downtown Jacksonville, and away from the urban dillemas they faced, and dropped them square into a racially mixed, middle-income, surburban setting, I'm sure all of the families are doing much better. Amazingly... NO. Our neighborhood has seen a 200% increase in the number of vandalism, burglary, and theft reports. After living for over a year without having to lock my doors at night, I now have to after one of the kids from the HFH houses broke into my home and stole a guitar, an amp, and a watch, which were all recovered by the Sheriff's Office.
We also now have groups of HFH kids hanging out at a couple of street corners who like to taunt and threaten other kids in the neighborhood who walk by. I might be able to understand them feeling threatened if the neighborhood was all White, but a lot of the kids who are being threatened are Black kids. The HFH kids think that they can act in the new neighborhood the same way they did in the old, which is understandable as they're learning that lesson from their parents, who have done a pretty poor job of keeping the houses up. The first four houses that were put up earlier last year now look like they've been there forever as windows have been busted out, parts of the siding are busted up, and the yards look horrible.
Yep... just another success story from the man who brought you "Making Deals With Honorable North Koreans I and II."
It's great how partisanship has clouded your view of the decency/compassion of a man.
That little peanut farmer from Georgia who went to the Naval Academy to serve as a submarine officer and to become President of the United States is a great American story and he is a great man. It was nice to have a man in the White House in the late 1970s who had integrity and decency; sure his policies may not have come around as well as intentioned, but seriously, whose policies would have? There are no if's, or's, or but's about it: Jimmy Carter is a great man, end of story.
That little peanut farmer from Georgia who went to the Naval Academy to serve as a submarine officer and to become President of the United States is a great American story and he is a great man. It was nice to have a man in the White House in the late 1970s who had integrity and decency; sure his policies may not have come around as well as intentioned, but seriously, whose policies would have? There are no if's, or's, or but's about it: Jimmy Carter is a great man, end of story.
hvp05
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They thought of this when they began the program. The answer is "sweat equity"; the owner(s) are required to help build their own house. And they also will be asked to help on other sites. The owner(s) are charged cost for the home and granted a 0% mortgage. Their payments rollover into funding new projects. But they are not simply given the home.Bruzilla said:
Bruzilla said:
So, is it possible that your local affiliate is run by a bunch of nutty Liberals that slanted the decisions in favor of the inner-city folks? Sure. But it's not the organization's policy. And maybe, just maybe, the decisions were legitimate. Do you know the breakdown of other HFH recipients?
HFH promotes itself as an "ecumenical Christian housing ministry". As such, it figures that they expect that most housing recipients will be essentially good people. They're working hard but need some help to "move up". I have seen many stories that align with that premise.Bruzilla said:
If, on the other hand, a recipient has a lower-quality character that will show as well. If they have a cruddy place in the projects, their new home will eventually become the same. If their kids commit crimes in the city, they will do the same in the suburbs. And so forth. To paraphrase an old saying, "You can take the people out of the city, but not the city out of the people." But it's not HFH's fault, per se. Similar things are happening in So. MD without the assistance of any humanitarian organizations.
Technically, HFH was founded in 1976 by Millard and Linda Fuller, as someone noted previously.Bruzilla said:
hvp05
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Uhh, you are still blurring "great man" with "great president". He does seem to be a good guy; I was born the year he took office, so I didn't know him as his presidency unfolded. But, great guy and serviceman and husband though he may be, he could still be a totally worthless president.rraley said:
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Let me see.. if not for REAGAN undoing Carters "fixes" we would have gone to war with the M60 tank NOT the M1. The Air Force would have been flying the F-4, the F-104, and there would be no Israel, just a Palestinian State... Arafat would have been a celebrated warrior, and a great diplomat himself.. And I'm sure Hussein would NOT have stopped at Kuwait, with a powerless ally that we WOULD have been, and without the neighboring countries possessing superior Americna weapon systems, there would have been NOTHING to stop him form controlling the whole of the Middle East today.. where we would be begging at his feet for another 1,000,000 gallons of oil next month..rraley said:
I will give you he is a great man, a good a man that you will probably ever meet, and would be honored to know him ,and to count him as a friend, but he had no business being a president.. He sat on his hands when OUR embassy fell into Iran's hands, the equipment the military had was in such disrepair due to lack of funding they couldn't even launch a SMALL rescue mission without it becoming a disaster.. He gave NO money for future weapon systems, so NOBODY had the allweather capabilites that they needed. No night vision, except for leftover PVS-5's from Vietnam.. no IR imagery, no Thermal imagery..
Personally having been on Soviet tanks, and AFV's I can tell you the victory (Desert Storm) would NOT have been so onesided on M60 tanks and M113 APC's.. You need Superiority to win, not "we're just as good as they are"
hvp05
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I think your dead horse has turned to a pulp. More importantly, I regret to inform you that your logic is non sequitur. That's fancy talk for, "does not follow". To point, whether or not he is "screwing up America" is all about his policies. The idea that he is a "great man" is irrelevant. He could be (and probably is) a wise, caring, friendly and sincere gentleman... who also just happens to be a nutty Liberal that supports weakening the military, spending absurd lumps of money on ridiculous programs, giving entitlements to people that do not deserve them and all that other Liberal junk.rraley said:
Is this thread finished yet?
FromTexas
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FromTexas said:
Oh good Lord!Maybe Bush should have followed Clinton's lead and done NOTHING to stop the terrorists. Then, maybe a democrat would enter office after his term and get stuck with a national disaster.
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Shut up Jimmy and go build something.FromTexas said: