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2ndAmendment · Mar 31, 2006

<h4>Job 42
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<h5>Job's Confession
</h5> 1Then Job answered the LORD and said,
     2"I know that You can do all things,
          And that no purpose of Yours can be thwarted.
     3'Who is this that hides counsel without knowledge?'
          "Therefore I have declared that which I did not understand,
          Things too wonderful for me, which I did not know."
     4'Hear, now, and I will speak;
          I will ask You, and You instruct me.'
     5"I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear;
          But now my eye sees You;
     6Therefore I retract,
          And I repent in dust and ashes."
<h5>God Displeased with Job's Friends
</h5> 7It came about after the LORD had spoken these words to Job, that the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, "My wrath is kindled against you and against your two friends, because you have not spoken of Me what is right as My servant Job has.
 8"Now therefore, take for yourselves seven bulls and seven rams, and go to My servant Job, and offer up a burnt offering for yourselves, and My servant Job will pray for you For I will accept him so that I may not do with you according to your folly, because you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has."

 9So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went and did as the LORD told them; and the LORD accepted Job.

<h5>God Restores Job's Fortunes
</h5> 10The LORD restored the fortunes of Job when he prayed for his friends, and the LORD increased all that Job had twofold.
 11Then all his brothers and all his sisters and all who had known him before came to him, and they ate bread with him in his house; and they consoled him and comforted him for all the adversities that the LORD had brought on him. And each one gave him one piece of money, and each a ring of gold.

 12The LORD blessed the latter days of Job more than his beginning; and he had 14,000 sheep and 6,000 camels and 1,000 yoke of oxen and 1,000 female donkeys.

 13He had seven sons and three daughters.

 14He named the first Jemimah, and the second Keziah, and the third Keren-happuch.

 15In all the land no women were found so fair as Job's daughters; and their father gave them inheritance among their brothers.

 16After this, Job lived 140 years, and saw his sons and his grandsons, four generations.

 17And Job died, an old man and full of days.

vraiblonde · Mar 31, 2006

2A, I would like to hear YOUR beliefs on this rather than a bunch of Biblical passages that can be interpreted in different ways and provoke as many questions as they answer.

It is a simple matter to say "read the Bible". But I'm interested in YOUR views and interpretations.

dems4me · Mar 31, 2006

Thanks 2A for the scripture!
Its explained very well in the book of Job. I had a spiratual mentor when I was younger and she'd always have me read the book of Job anytime I was mad and didn't understand the way things are sometimes in life. :smile:

Thanks 2A!!! :huggy:

Toxick · Mar 31, 2006

Kerad said:
Whatcha think?

It's quite possibly the most convincing piece of evidence that I've ever seen, that there is no God, and that anyone who continues to believe in such fairy tales, is quite obviously dumber than a post, brainwashed by the oppressive GOP's Religious Right Death-squad.

I'm glad that's settled.

vraiblonde · Mar 31, 2006

Toxick said:
I'm glad that's settled.

2ndAmendment · Mar 31, 2006

vraiblonde said:
2A, I would like to hear YOUR beliefs on this rather than a bunch of Biblical passages that can be interpreted in different ways and provoke as many questions as they answer. It is a simple matter to say "read the Bible". But I'm interested in YOUR views and interpretations.

I believe that God created all of us. That we are His to use for His purpose. How He deals with us is up to Him. He creates those that are less fortunate to let those of us that have been blessed to share our blessing ... or not.

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Matthew 25:31-46
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  31"But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.

 32"All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;

 33and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.

 34"Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 

 35'For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 

 36naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.' 

 37"Then the righteous will answer Him, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? 

 38'And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? 

 39'When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' 

 40"The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.' 

 41"Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 

 42for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; 

 43I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.' 

 44"Then they themselves also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?' 

 45"Then He will answer them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'

 46"These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

How do we react? Do we help? Do we ignore?

vraiblonde · Mar 31, 2006

2ndAmendment said:
 I believe that God created all of us. That we are His to use for His purpose. How He deals with us is up to Him. He creates those that are less fortunate to let those of us that have been blessed to share our blessing ... or not.

I'm content with that answer, too. :yay:

Tonio · Mar 31, 2006

2ndAmendment said:
I believe that God created all of us. That we are His to use for His purpose. How He deals with us is up to Him. He creates those that are less fortunate to let those of us that have been blessed to share our blessing ... or not.

I'm content with that answer as well. As I see it, that explanation represents your personal religious truth. And Vrai's personal religious truth is that there is no God. My personal religious truth is that God is neither male nor female, and I don't expect anyone else to share that belief.

dems4me · Mar 31, 2006

2ndAmendment said:
 I believe that God created all of us. That we are His to use for His purpose. How He deals with us is up to Him. He creates those that are less fortunate to let those of us that have been blessed to share our blessing ... or not.

Not trying to squabble 2A but wouldn't gay people that God create fall under this belief for you too, I don't think you can get any less fortunate than to be created as a outcast of society :shrug:

2ndAmendment · Mar 31, 2006

dems4me said:
Not trying to squabble 2A but wouldn't gay people that God create fall under this belief for you too, I don't think you can get any less fortunate than to be created as a outcast of society :shrug:

Yes, you are trying to squabble. Homosexuality is your favorite argument. God created people. He did not create homosexuals. Homosexuals are people that choose to do homosexual acts just like thieves choose to steal. God would not call homosexual acts an abomination if He thought it was OK. You know that and refuse to accept it. You know my stance. It is not inconsistent with anything in this thread. You just want it to be.

Now I will drop this.

dems4me · Mar 31, 2006

2ndAmendment said:
Yes, you are trying to squabble. Homosexuality is your favorite argument. God created people. He did not create homosexuals. Homosexuals are people that choose to do homosexual acts just like thieves choose to steal. God would not call homosexual acts an abomination if He thought it was OK. You know that and refuse to accept it. You know my stance. It is not inconsistent with anything in this thread. You just want it to be.

Now I will drop this.

No, I was just thinking maybe we had come to a meeting of the minds on this issue :whack:

I was wrong. :lol:

Tonio · Mar 31, 2006

2ndAmendment said:
Homosexuals are people that choose to do homosexual acts just like thieves choose to steal.

Is that the origin of the phrase "turd burgulars?"

2ndAmendment · Apr 5, 2006

I was thinking about this some more and one thing many, including Christians, forget, sometimes the answer to a prayer is "no" or "wait".

God is not the "candy man" giving us everything we want. He is a good Father giving us what is good for us. Sometimes, death is better for us or those around us than continuing to live. We may not understand His ways, but His ways are always the best.

Tonio · Apr 6, 2006

2ndAmendment said:
God is not the "candy man" giving us everything we want. He is a good Father giving us what is good for us. Sometimes, death is better for us or those around us than continuing to live. We may not understand His ways, but His ways are always the best.

I can appreciate that. I think too many people regard God as a celestial Santa Claus.

2ndAmendment said:
Homosexuals are people that choose to do homosexual acts just like thieves choose to steal.

Where is the proof that homosexuality is a choice? For that matter, where is the proof that it's genetic or psychological? I don't know what causes it, but the idea that it's a choice sounds laughably outlandish to me. It implies that desire is amorphous, that men can get aroused by anything. Personally, I knew I was straight long before I knew about sex.

dems4me · Apr 6, 2006

2ndAmendment said:
I was thinking about this some more and one thing many, including Christians, forget, sometimes the answer to a prayer is "no" or "wait".

God is not the "candy man" giving us everything we want. He is a good Father giving us what is good for us. Sometimes, death is better for us or those around us than continuing to live. We may not understand His ways, but His ways are always the best.

I agree, folks either think he's the candy man or some big cosmic kill-joy, one or the other... kind of like folks think Christians are supposed to be perfect... I have a friend that's not a Christian and she is ALWAYS pointing out the flaws of others and saying "sheesh and she's supposed to be a Christian", always :banghead:

She just doesn't get it. I think sometimes folks just can't grasp any of this God the Father image or the fact that Christians arn't perfect. :huggy:

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