Liberals are correct: Half the country is stoopit

Toxick

Splat
Of course, their problem is how they divvy up the dipshits.

But this article clears it up.

I find it hard to believe that a full half of the country believes that congress is not made up of snakes, foxes, weasels, theives, liars, outlaws, murders, malcontents and bandits.


Poor disillusioned bastards.
 

willie

Well-Known Member
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- About half of U.S. adults believe most members of Congress are corrupt, a poll released Tuesday suggests.

Define "corrupt"?

Randy "Duke" Cunningham, by his own admission, is corrupt. There are probably a bunch more that line their pockets like he did. Ted hic Kennedy is morally corrupt and I'm sure there are others in his category but it's just another word. I'd take a corrupt politician over a Socialist any day. That is ASSuming a moderate conservative wasn't available.
 

Spoiled

Active Member
i bet there are very few people in congress that arent morally corrupt or financially corrupt... and by morally i mean messing around with other people while married or screwing people over to get where they are today...
 

dustin

UAIOE
I think corruption is a requirement for any type of government. Without it, we would never know what we were missing to begin with.
 

Spoiled

Active Member
our govt was setup for people trying to make themselves more powerful: 3 "competing" branches with checks and balances...
 

Toxick

Splat
willie said:
Define "corrupt"?



The American Heritage Dictionary defines currupt as:
cor·rupt
adj.

1. Marked by immorality and perversion; depraved.
2. Venal; dishonest: a corrupt mayor.
3. Containing errors or alterations, as a text: a corrupt translation.
4. Archaic. Tainted; putrid.



The Toxick Dictionary defines currupt as:
1. When computer data gets effed up.
2. Lying, stealing, cheating, conniving, unethical, dishonest, uncaring and scum-baggish. Much like a blow-hard Congressman.
3. When food goes bad.


I think the most honest congress we've had in our nation, excepting perhaps the First Continental Congress in 1774, was in 1994.

Didn't last very long though.
 

Toxick

Splat
dustin said:
I think corruption is a requirement for any type of government. Without it, we would never know what we were missing to begin with.


Thats why I always ensure that whenever I eat, half my sammich is infested with squirming maggots.

Without the maggots, I can't fully appreciate how tasty the unspoiled half of my sammich is.
 

dustin

UAIOE
Toxick said:
Thats why I always ensure that whenever I eat, half my sammich is infested with squirming maggots.

Without the maggots, I can't fully appreciate how tasty the unspoiled half of my sammich is.
:yay:
 

vraiblonde

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Spoiled said:
our govt was setup for people trying to make themselves more powerful: 3 "competing" branches with checks and balances...
Checks and Balances is a wonderful idea, but our Founding Fathers didn't count on political extremism and palm-greasing. Not to mention the mainstream media, which completely and totally controls us and therefore our government.

There's really no way around it. Hell, look at the UN - all those countries, you'd think they'd all police each other, but no. Those bastards are the most corrupt organization in history.
 

Spoiled

Active Member
vraiblonde said:
Checks and Balances is a wonderful idea, but our Founding Fathers didn't count on political extremism and palm-greasing. Not to mention the mainstream media, which completely and totally controls us and therefore our government.

There's really no way around it. Hell, look at the UN - all those countries, you'd think they'd all police each other, but no. Those bastards are the most corrupt organization in history.
political parties messed it up too... and many other things have as well, but it was counted on to some extent...
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Spoiled said:
our govt was setup for people trying to make themselves more powerful: 3 "competing" branches with checks and balances...
Spoiled said:
political parties messed it up too... and many other things have as well, but it was counted on to some extent...
Do you read what you write? Do you ever study history? What you post indicates you do not.
The founders did not think our government would ever be like this. Our federal government has usurped powers that it is not entitled to in the Constitution. Some of our founders said that our way of government would not work if the people were not moral.
"The public cannot be too curious concerning the characters of public men." --Samuel Adams, letter to James Warren, 1775
"In selecting men for office, let principle be your guide. Regard not the particular sect or denomination of the candidate -- look to his character...." --Noah Webster
"The aim of every political constitution is, or ought to be, first to obtain for rulers men who possess most wisdom to discern, and most virtue to pursue, the common good of the society; and in the next place, to take the most effectual precautions for keeping them virtuous whilst they continue to hold their public trust." --It is not clear who was speaking, Alexander Hamilton or James Madison
"I hope our country will never see the time, when either riches or the want of them will be the leading considerations in the choice of public officers." --Samuel Adams
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." --Benjamin Franklin
"Religion and good morals are the only solid foundation of public liberty and happiness." -- Samuel Adams (letter to John Trumbull, 16 October 1778)

Reference: Original Intent, Barton (320); original The Writings of Samuel Adams, Cushing, ed., vol. 4 (74)
"[W]here is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation deserts the oaths...?" --George Washington
"In the midst of these pleasing ideas we should be unfaithful to ourselves if we should ever lose sight of the danger to our liberties if anything partial or extraneous should infect the purity of our free, fair, virtuous, and independent elections. If an election is to be determined by a majority of a single vote, and that can be procured by a party through artifice or corruption, the Government may be the choice of a party for its own ends, not of the nation for the national good." --John Adams
"An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens. ... There has never been a moment of my life in which I should have relinquished for it the enjoyments of my family, my farm, my friends & books." --Thomas Jefferson
"The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained." --George Washington
"A general dissolution of Principles and Manners will more surely overthrow the Liberties of America than the whole Force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader . . . If virtue and knowledge are diffused among the people, they will never be enslaved. This will be their great security." Samuel Adams, The Writings of Samuel Adams, ed., Harry Alonzo Cushing (G. P. Putman's Sons, 1908), Vol. 4, p. 124.
"Patriotism is as much a virtue as justice, and is as necessary for the support of societies as natural affection is for the support of families." --Benjamin Rush
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --John Adams
"And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever." --Thomas Jefferson
"No compact among men...can be pronounced everlasting and inviolable, and if I may so express myself, that no Wall of words, that no mound of parchment can be so formed as to stand against the sweeping torrent of boundless ambition on the one side, aided by the sapping current of corrupted morals on the other." --George Washington

Well guess what? We, as a nation, are not moral; we elect immoral representatives, and we get what we deserve for have a lack of conviction. This is exactly what Benjamin Franklin and John Adams expected would happen.
"...I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other. I doubt, too, whether any other Convention we can obtain may be able to make a better Constitution." --Benjamin Franklin
"[D]emocracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few." --John Adams , The Papers of John Adams, Robert J. Taylor, editor (Cambridge: Belknap Press, 1977), Vol. I, p. 83, from "An Essay on Man's Lust for Power, with the Author's Comment in 1807," written on August 29, 1763, but first published by John Adams in 1807.

Our country has lost its bearing ... and we have lost much of our liberty and restoring liberty lost is futile.
"But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever." --John Adams
"How prone all human institutions have been to decay; how subject the best-formed and most wisely organized governments have been to lose their check and totally dissolve; how difficult it has been for mankind, in all ages and countries, to preserve their dearest rights and best privileges, impelled as it were by an irresistible fate of despotism." --James Monroe, speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 10, 1788
We will eventually be led to this.
"What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." --Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787. ME 6:373, Papers 12:356
 
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