but according to a previous post - Sarvis was running to the left on a lot of the issues except Gun Control
dipstick said:
Normally I would agree .... but in this election ....
libertarians ensure another democrat win in VA
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but according to a previous post - Sarvis was running to the left on a lot of the issues except Gun Control
Normally I would agree .... but in this election ....
Larry Gude
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Other than how they voted?
Either you are saying they were not bright enough to see things your way, that the ONLY choice was A or B or, maybe, just perhaps, they are saying they refuse having only A or B.
60% of Va voters stayed home. Is it their fault too, that the GOP lost?
It is absolutely unreasonable to claim votes for X would absolutely have gone to Y were X not in the race. Especially when X is VERY different from Y.
Toxick
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Or...
Or Cuccinelli could have sucked marginally less than he did. Or better yet, Republicans could have run a better candidate, and that person would have gotten many of the votes that he lost to both Sarvis and McAuliffe?
But I suppose that's just crazy talk.
Toxick
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There it is....
Right on the head.
I think this smarmy self-indulgent ####ing attitude is what is most grating about the "A vote for X is a vote for Y" people.
Chris0nllyn
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It's easier to blame the Libertarian.
I've seen FB posts after the winner was announced that said "Libertarians are in bed with Liberals and Satan himself"
Larry Gude
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It's easier to blame the Libertarian.
I've seen FB posts after the winner was announced that said "Libertarians are in bed with Liberals and Satan himself"
Well, supposedly, this guy was in bed with a McCaulif supporter who financed him so, there is something to that. However, it doesn't change a damn thing. 60% of Va voters couldn't be bothered and THAT is a hell of a lot more worth considering in terms of a GOP platform and campaign than some no name also ran who, statistically, got enough votes to 'change' the outcome.
Chris0nllyn
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As if it made a difference.
Sarvis campaigned out of his minivan, with $84k.
The other 2 had tens of millions.
Larry Gude
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One thing I would say is this; if you can't vote in a given election, you can't give ONE dime to a party or candidate in that election. And, if you do give, expect to see your name and the amount(s) on public record a minute later.
That would be my campaign finance reform.
I disagree; it's been a cluster from day 1 and will continue to get worse.
Sweet 16
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Sarvis was a plant, bought and paid for by the Democrats to draw votes away from the Republican.
Revealed: Obama Campaign Bundler Helping Fund Libertarian in Tight Va. Gubernatorial Race | TheBlaze.com
Did anyone hear of him before last week?
Chris0nllyn
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Yes.
It worked and will work again because the 3rd party preachers would rather have the worst than settle for okay when they can't have the best.
I liked Johnson but since he had 0 chance of winning, I went with Mitt so we wouldn't be stuck with Obama. Guess what, we are stuck with Obama because too many 3rd party fan boys can't understand the same logic.
Johnson- Best
Mitt- Okay
Obama- Worst
To me it isn't worth the risk of getting the worst when the best has 0 chance of winning. Lessor of 2 evils is better than double the evil, or at least one would would think.
It looks like Sarvis may have pulled more votes from McAuliffe than Cuccinelli per ABC news exit polls.
“Finally, while it didn’t change the outcome, the third-party candidate in the race, Libertarian Robert Sarvis, may have made it closer for McAuliffe than it would have been otherwise. Had he not been on the ballot, a third of his voters said they’d have supported McAuliffe – slightly more than twice as many as said they’d have gone for Cuccinelli.”
Exit Poll Results Tell a Tale of Two Republicans - ABC News
“Finally, while it didn’t change the outcome, the third-party candidate in the race, Libertarian Robert Sarvis, may have made it closer for McAuliffe than it would have been otherwise. Had he not been on the ballot, a third of his voters said they’d have supported McAuliffe – slightly more than twice as many as said they’d have gone for Cuccinelli.”
Exit Poll Results Tell a Tale of Two Republicans - ABC News
Larry Gude
Strung Out
No. That can't be.
Historically, neither the GOP or Democrats have proven themselves to be the party of small government and informed young people looking at the entitlement situation must be worried about the taxes needed to pay for it and neither party is working to fix it.
Additionally, the GOP is scaring young people with the social issues and into the Democratic party. For example, Cuccionelli supports “personhood” legislation which would outlaw all abortions and some types of birth control.
It’s logical that Sarvis is first choice and McAuliffe would be a second choice for them.
Looking at the CNN exit poll, Sarvis supporters tend to be younger and college educated. (See also data on two person race.)
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2013/images/11/05/va.gov.exit.polls.1120p.110513.v2.final[1].copy.pdf
ftcret
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From Dr. Tim's Moment Of Clarity
"To all of my Republican friends that blame us Libertarians for your loss of the Virginia Governor's race last night, I have two words that sum up what happened to you: John Boehner. He is the face of your party, your message, your vision for our nation's future, and your beacon to independents. He is your captain of team charisma - McConnell, McCain, Graham, Cantor. In your hearts, you know it - we are not your problem."
"To all of my Republican friends that blame us Libertarians for your loss of the Virginia Governor's race last night, I have two words that sum up what happened to you: John Boehner. He is the face of your party, your message, your vision for our nation's future, and your beacon to independents. He is your captain of team charisma - McConnell, McCain, Graham, Cantor. In your hearts, you know it - we are not your problem."
Toxick
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Oh, I understand the logic.
I just think it's bull####.
And anyone who is willing to "settle" deserves what they get.
Obama... nuff said.
Toxick
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czygvtwkr
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You assume that everyone want's that exact same thing as you and anything else is settling.