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vraiblonde

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I have a boxer that is aggressive and he's never once hurt anyone or another animal. When people come over, he's usually put outside (on the enclosed deck) or in the garage. If I'm walking him and I see another dog approaching, I go in another direction or try to get his attention away from the area the other dog is in. With proper control, you can have a happy, healthy pup.

He hasn't hurt anyone...yet.

Which is not to say that he necessarily will because I know you and know that you're one of the 3 out of 10 who is not a mouth breathing retard. It's those other 7 that concern me.

OP's dog is showing aggression and she just cannot take that chance with her small children, even if she's the best dog mommy ever.
 

ICit

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He hasn't hurt anyone...yet.

Which is not to say that he necessarily will because I know you and know that you're one of the 3 out of 10 who is not a mouth breathing retard. It's those other 7 that concern me.

OP's dog is showing aggression and she just cannot take that chance with her small children, even if she's the best dog mommy ever.


SO are you saying .... the dog i just adopted that showed fear and no confidence should have been put to sleep?
 

vraiblonde

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SO are you saying .... the dog i just adopted that showed fear and no confidence should have been put to sleep?

I think you're being unnecessarily reckless, BUT you also know how to handle dogs and aren't going to be irresponsible and endanger others with him - I trust your judgment for the most part. However for every you there are millions of not-yous, and you know that.

If you had young children at home and still brought in a fear aggressive dog, I'd think you were a nut.
 
SO are you saying .... the dog i just adopted that showed fear and no confidence should have been put to sleep?
I didn't get that from her post... she said , "OP's dog is showing aggression and she just cannot take that chance with her small children, even if she's the best dog mommy ever." You don't live with small children so her post didn't address you, your household or your choice of animals to live with at all.
 

vraiblonde

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Goomba was the sweetest dog - MY dog, devoted primarily to me - but when he bit Larry's niece (superficially, but it scared the living #### out of us) that was the beginning of the end of him. Then he nipped at one of my daughter's friends and I took him in that day with no more excuses and second chances.
 

ICit

Jam out with ur clam out
I think you're being unnecessarily reckless, BUT you also know how to handle dogs and aren't going to be irresponsible and endanger others with him - I trust your judgment for the most part. However for every you there are millions of not-yous, and you know that.

If you had young children at home and still brought in a fear aggressive dog, I'd think you were a nut.

ok....

no.. if i had kids I dont think i would do that....


but my thing is... people get dogs before they have kids and dont understand the importance in PROPER training and socialization.

from what the OP said ... as the dog has always been skittish (and i dont care what breed it is as I will explain later) and shy... this is CLASSIC showing of a dog that has no confidence and needs a REAL trainer (not petco trainer) to show how to build the dogs confidence and how to socialize the dog so its a positive experience.


So the dog I have .... lacked everything when she came home... she was off the hook (as she still is) had no socialization skills with dogs or other humans... so it made her fearful and very shy. So even though I am very competent in training ... I KNEW i was in over my head and went for help. Within her completing her FIRST CLASS... she was a different dog... and was approaching the trainers husband with excitement!
by the end of the training she would run to him.... he was able to worker her as was all the trainers there... and has lots of confidence.

Now dont get me wrong... we have a ways to go but this shows there could hope. She as very nervous around kids.... now she will seek them out to be petted.... and loved on. She was better than my hound when it came to the special needs kids we encountered.... :coffee:


Sad part is (and i hate to place blame on OP).... but she has done this to the dog by not being proactive when it was a puppy.... and this happens to many dogs of many breeds. I do think if she could find an owner that has no kids, and would be willing to seek a professional trainer the dog would have a chance of living out his life.
 

ICit

Jam out with ur clam out
I didn't get that from her post... she said , "OP's dog is showing aggression and she just cannot take that chance with her small children, even if she's the best dog mommy ever." You don't live with small children so her post didn't address you, your household or your choice of animals to live with at all.

but my dogs so interact with kids.... and others due to what i train them for.
 
but my dogs so interact with kids.... and others due to what i train them for.
Yes, but I trust that you are always on guard and on hand when your skiddish dog is around kids in your home. It is different when one lives with a skiddish dog in the home with small/young kids because either the dog or the kid has to be crated most of the time because you cannot keep an eye on them all of the time... get what I'm saying?

I adopted a skiddish dog who lacks confindence and can therefore be stranger aggressive and it is my responsibility keep her seperate from guests to protect both them and her from being put in a position where she might lunge out in a moment of fear or confusion. I've had her for 9 years now and she is truly loving and adorable and loyal to me, my husband and my two young adult kids. But if I had an infant or small child move into the house, she'd have to go because it wouldn't be a safe environment for the child with the dog living in the home.
 

ICit

Jam out with ur clam out
Yes, but I trust that you are always on guard and on hand when your skiddish dog is around kids in your home. It is different when one lives with a skiddish dog in the home with small/young kids because either the dog or the kid has to be crated most of the time because you cannot keep an eye on them all of the time... get what I'm saying?

I adopted a skiddish dog who lacks confindence and can therefore be stranger aggressive and it is my responsibility keep her seperate from guests to protect both them and her from being put in a position where she might lunge out in a moment of fear or confusion. I've had her for 9 years now and she is truly loving and adorable and loyal to me, my husband and my two young adult kids. But if I had an infant or small child move into the house, she'd have to go because it wouldn't be a safe environment for the child with the dog living in the home.

:yay: i getcha...


I have worked her now to the point I dont worry about kids running up to her...

here is the difference..... she is two.... I didnt wait another two years to let this behavior fester.... I stepped up to the plate AS A PET OWNER and did what i had to do.
 

Chris0nllyn

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If bully breed owners were more responsible, I wouldn't have such a problem with them. But they're not. They think their mauling machine is a sweet puppy who wouldn't hurt a fly ever, so they don't properly train it or socialize it or even keep it under control. Not only do I not trust the dog but I absolutely do not trust you, Mr or Ms Bully Owner, because of Pete's 7 out of 10 Rule.

I mostly agree with this statement. But that should be with EVERY dog owner. If you think that just because you own a certain dog, it will be just fine without proper training and socialization, you're kidding yourself.

I am plenty responsible when it comes to my dog, and THAT is why she's never onece hurt, or shown signs of agression towards anyone, or anything. I won't tolerate that.

The thugs down the street that just want a pit for social status, the backyard breeders who keep their female crated all day, everyday, just so she can have litter, after litter, while over 100,000 pits die a day in shelters are the people I have a problem with. The people who will keep ANY dog chained up in the backyard with no socialization don't deserve to have a dog.

I think rather than rehome the dog, OP should have it put down. When it was Goomba, our Shepherd/Boxer mix with fear aggression issues, it broke my heart to have him put down but it would have absolutely destroyed me to find that someone else had been injured or killed because of my irresponsibility. I would like to smack the #### out of the people on here who are suggesting that she take it to a trainer, work with it, yadda yadda, because what they're basically telling her is that she should let her and her children play with a loaded gun and it is not a matter of if but *when* the dog hurts someone.

You may think that, but I just think about the Michael Vick dogs. The dogs that get rescued from fighting operations all the time. The dogs who have lived their entire lives in a crate. The dogs that have lived their entire lives tied to a tree in the backyard with a 3' chain, yet still find love in people. After living their entire lives in horrible conditions, many still look past all that.

Believe it or not, many, many pitbulls seem to forget that PEOPLE did that to them.

I know this is all falling on deaf ears, but let's look at the Mike Vick case. Originally 53 dogs. Police found 49 terrorized pit bulls, many malnourished and nursing injuries while chained to old car axles scattered in the woods. Investigators uncovered the buried remains of dozens of dogs that had been drowned or hanged, simply for being unwilling fighters.

Did you know that after all that, only ONE dog was deemed so dangerous it had to be put down? 17 have been rehabed, and deemed good for adoption, others are still in training. Then you've got dogs that now do agility competitions, they are passing AKC Good Canine Tests, ATTS Temperament Tests, they visit nursing homes, hospitals, they are reading assistant dogs, and more.

It's been 5 years now. To be able to go from the conditions they were found in, to living in shelters for months, to now being service dogs, therapy dogs, etc. should be nothing but an example of what Pit Bulls truely are.

Luckily, despite the ugly side of humankind, there are people who refuse to give up on even the most broken of dogs. You don't know about these dogs, if all you know are headlines.

 
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:yay: i getcha...


I have worked her now to the point I dont worry about kids running up to her...

here is the difference..... she is two.... I didnt wait another two years to let this behavior fester.... I stepped up to the plate AS A PET OWNER and did what i had to do.
Yeah, ours was 4 when whe adopted her and though we've made considerable strides with her over the years she still has a few screws loose that just won't stay tightened. She is truly such a love and we have no regrets taking her in... we knew up front of her issues... she will be 13 this year and though she seems to be young and in good health we all know that there aren't many years left considering the expected life-span of a schnauzer. I expect she'll pass of natural causes before I have grandchildren or go crazy and decide to adopt some kids.
 

ICit

Jam out with ur clam out
Yeah, ours was 4 when whe adopted her and though we've made considerable strides with her over the years she still has a few screws loose that just won't stay tightened. She is truly such a love and we have no regrets taking her in... we knew up front of her issues... she will be 13 this year and though she seems to be young and in good health we all know that there aren't many years left considering the expected life-span of a schnauzer. I expect she'll pass of natural causes before I have grandchildren or go crazy and decide to adopt some kids.

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