M/C riders on PAX

[desertrat]

I just got around to reading last weeks Tester. Front page says they will provide you with a nice little ticket and you must appear in court for failure to wear the proper riding gear. This can happen at the gate or anywhere else on station.

I'm sure you all know what the gear is, but it looks like they don't. Here's what the article says, "Sturdy footwear such as leather boots or over-the-ankle-shoes is also mandatory on any military installation".

B/S! Here's what the reg. OPNAVINST 5100.12 and NASPAXRIVINST 5560.2. states as far as footwear. "(4) Properly worn hard-soled shoes with heels. (Riders are encouraged to properly wear over the ankle shoes or boots."

 

[GWguy]

Better print a copy of that and keep it in your pocket..... I bet they bust you anyway.

 

[desertrat]

Better print a copy of that and keep it in your pocket..... I bet they bust you anyway.

I'm fully compliant. Except for fingerless gloves in the afternoon.

 

[Vince]

I just got around to reading last weeks Tester. Front page says they will provide you with a nice little ticket and you must appear in court for failure to wear the proper riding gear. This can happen at the gate or anywhere else on station.

I'm sure you all know what the gear is, but it looks like they don't. Here's what the article says, "Sturdy footwear such as leather boots or over-the-ankle-shoes is also mandatory on any military installation".

B/S! Here's what the reg. OPNAVINST 5100.12 and NASPAXRIVINST 5560.2. states as far as footwear. "(4) Properly worn hard-soled shoes with heels. (Riders are encouraged to properly wear over the ankle shoes or boots."

I have a copy of this at my desk. They tried to get me on this and I quoted the instruction to them. I wear low cut, steel toed, hard shank shoes for wear around aircraft. When they change the instruction, I'll go buy a nice pair of boots for work.

 

[aps45819]

I have a copy of this at my desk. They tried to get me on this and I quoted the instruction to them. I wear low cut, steel toed, hard shank shoes for wear around aircraft. When they change the instruction, I'll go buy a nice pair of boots for work.

Just got a pair of these for riding

 

[thurley42]

I'm fully compliant. Except for fingerless gloves in the afternoon.

well that and your a$$less chaps...i saw you rolling out at lunch today!

jk

 

[desertrat]

Just got a pair of these for riding

Those are similar to the ones I want when I wear the current ones out. I'm pretty sure they don't fit the definition as written, but I don't think they'll look that close.
5.11 Tactical® 8" ATACâ„¢ Storm Waterproof Boot w/Side Zipper
You can find them cheaper.

well that and your a$$less chaps...i saw you rolling out at lunch today!

jk

Oh ha!

 

[ylexot]

Those are similar to the ones I want when I wear the current ones out. I'm pretty sure they don't fit the definition as written, but I don't think they'll look that close.
5.11 Tactical® 8" ATACâ„¢ Storm Waterproof Boot w/Side Zipper
You can find them cheaper.

Those are the boots that I have. I'm pretty sure that they fit the definition as written. Why wouldn't they? Hard soles? Check. Heels? Check. Over the ankle? Check.

 

[desertrat]

Those are the boots that I have. I'm pretty sure that they fit the definition as written. Why wouldn't they? Hard soles? Check. Heels? Check. Over the ankle? Check.

I guess I think of hard soles as leather. Also they say leather uppers and those are a combo.

 

[Vince]

I guess I think of hard soles as leather. Also they say leather uppers and those are a combo.

And I don't wear the hard leather soles. Mine are hard rubber, non-slip for working and walking in oil or soap around the hangar decks and aircraft. If they don't like it....:shrug:

 

[glhs837]

Anyone want to venture a guess at to WTH "brightly colored" means? Exactly? What guidance have the gate guys been given as to how that breaks out.

 

[dn0121]

I'd like a pair of zip up. Im tired of laces and changing once I get to work.

 

[desertrat]

And I don't wear the hard leather soles. Mine are hard rubber, non-slip for working and walking in oil or soap aournd the hangar decks and aircraft. If they don't like it....:shrug:

I think hard leather would be bad.

Anyone want to venture a guess at to WTH "brightly colored" means? Exactly? What guidance have the gate guys been given as to how that breaks out.

Don't know. I had heard somewear that at least 30% of the surface must be either reflective or bright. White is pretty bright.

I'd like a pair of zip up. Im tired of laces and changing once I get to work.

That's one reason I'm going to get the ones in the link. I'll still change though.

 

[dn0121]

That's one reason I'm going to get the ones in the link. I'll still change though.

I missed your link, but just looked and I like it.

This is my jacket http://www.newenough.com/image/path/18360/small/Mesh_tex_day_glow.jpg?1222875377

Aps informed me about this one and I couldn't be happier with it.

 

[Vince]

I think hard leather would be bad.



Don't know. I had heard somewear that at least 30% of the surface must be either reflective or bright. White is pretty bright.



That's one reason I'm going to get the ones in the link. I'll still change though.

Leather is very slippery especially when you need to back up and put some pressure on your feet. As for bright colors, I have an orange vest that's about as bright as you can get for nightime. The folks that run the motorcycle class on base didn't have any problem with anything I was wearing.

 

[ylexot]

B/S! Here's what the reg. OPNAVINST 5100.12 and NASPAXRIVINST 5560.2. states as far as footwear. "(4) Properly worn hard-soled shoes with heels. (Riders are encouraged to properly wear over the ankle shoes or boots."

I just looked it up to see what it says about the upper. OPNAVINST 5100.12H (the latest) says, "sturdy over the ankle footwear that affords protection for the feet and ankles shall be worn."

 

[dn0121]

Leather is very slippery especially when you need to back up and put some pressure on your feet. As for bright colors, I have an orange vest that's about as bright as you can get for nightime. The folks that run the motorcycle class on base didn't have any problem with anything I was wearing.

dayglo yellow is considered to be brighter and more eye catching than orange.

 

[glhs837]

I think hard leather would be bad.



Don't know. I had heard somewear that at least 30% of the surface must be either reflective or bright. White is pretty bright.



That's one reason I'm going to get the ones in the link. I'll still change though.

Well, thats the issue, that "bright" thing. Who decides what bright is? Is there a panel somewhere? Or does Airman Schmuckatellli decide? Me, I hate the vests, they are a pain, and I dont like wearing dayglo

 

[desertrat]

I just looked it up to see what it says about the upper. OPNAVINST 5100.12H (the latest) says, "sturdy over the ankle footwear that affords protection for the feet and ankles shall be worn."

Thanks, good to know.

 

[BadGirl]

Anyone want to venture a guess at to WTH "brightly colored" means? Exactly? What guidance have the gate guys been given as to how that breaks out.

Silver works..

ANd yes, I've been stopped SEVERAL times in the past few weeks for my footwear, the last time You would have thought I was a terrorist running the gate.. "STOP him, don't let him on the base!! STOP HIM, STOP HIM..

Funny thing is, I was already stopped.

Pulled over and the female gate guard comes at me with a ticket already filled out with the pertinent "bad biker" info .. citing Chapter and Verse.

"You're NOT wearing the proper foot gear, I'll have to give you a ticket."

DUg my boots out, asked is this good enough, and they let me go.

They became morons about this about 4 weeks ago.. I'd REALLY like to see the statistics they used to determine the wearing of boots decreases the chance of me dying, or reduces injuries while riding ON BASE!!

Of course they never asked me to remove my helmet to see if it was DOT approved.. or to see if wasn't a novelty helmet with a fake sticker.. you know the ONE piece of gear that could REALLY make a difference in ANY accident.

Just another stupid rule with no forethought, or factual evidence to support it.