Margaret Brent School Out of Control?

[Hannibal]

And for that sum they would, among other things, be responsible for the child's safety while in their care.

To the extent of notifying the parents that Jack was an @sshole to Diane but not to the extent of being the final decider in Jack's punishment. At the end of the day, they are (both) limited in their authority and Jack's parents are the authority.

You can't have all the responsibility with none of the authority. Never works.

 

[vraiblonde]

To the extent of notifying the parents that Jack was an @sshole to Diane but not to the extent of being the final decider in Jack's punishment. At the end of the day, they are (both) limited in their authority and Jack's parents are the authority.

Clearly you have never been a child care provider. In fact, when Jack is an ahole to Diane, he gets removed from the group for a time out. If Jack has a nasty habit of physically attacking Diane - or any other child - or the care giver - he gets kicked out and Mommy has to find another place to stow her brat. If the brat isn't removed, the other parents remove their children, and Nanny doesn't want that.

Educators are not care givers. That's not even remotely in their job description. They do not feed the kids, they are not responsible for their safety, they do not change diapers or potty train or do any of the things child care workers do. They are there to educate, period.

You appear to be making the case that teachers are nothing more than slaves who must tolerate all manner of workplace abuse, and I am telling you flat out that that's not true. Teachers DO have power. They CAN make a difference. But they choose not to in these situations, and I'm not sure of the reason. I can't think of any other profession that would tolerate workplace violence and disrespect the way teachers do.

My criticism of teachers is that they don't stand up for themselves and the kids in their classroom against the bureaucrats. On one hand, I feel for them and have sympathy for their situation. On the other hand, they could change that if they wanted to. They railed hard after the 2016 election - "OMG, what will I tell my kids??" - and yet they seem to have no responsibility when it comes to the real world safety of those kids; just the imaginary danger of "the Republicans". They think President Trump is going to kill everyone, yet turn a blind eye to the bully kid who actually terrorizes the students on a daily basis.

That's the truth. I've seen it myself. You don't have to like it, but it's still the truth.

 

[Misfit]

To the extent of notifying the parents that Jack was an @sshole to Diane but not to the extent of being the final decider in Jack's punishment. At the end of the day, they are (both) limited in their authority and Jack's parents are the authority.

You can't have all the responsibility with none of the authority. Never works.

What if Diane was caught sucking someone else’s chilly dog outside the Tastee freeze?

 

[black dog]

Clearly you have never been a child care provider. In fact, when Jack is an ahole to Diane, he gets removed from the group for a time out. If Jack has a nasty habit of physically attacking Diane - or any other child - or the care giver - he gets kicked out and Mommy has to find another place to stow her brat. If the brat isn't removed, the other parents remove their children, and Nanny doesn't want that.

Educators are not care givers. That's not even remotely in their job description. They do not feed the kids, they are not responsible for their safety, they do not change diapers or potty train or do any of the things child care workers do. They are there to educate, period.

You appear to be making the case that teachers are nothing more than slaves who must tolerate all manner of workplace abuse, and I am telling you flat out that that's not true. Teachers DO have power. They CAN make a difference. But they choose not to in these situations, and I'm not sure of the reason. I can't think of any other profession that would tolerate workplace violence and disrespect the way teachers do.

My criticism of teachers is that they don't stand up for themselves and the kids in their classroom against the bureaucrats. On one hand, I feel for them and have sympathy for their situation. On the other hand, they could change that if they wanted to. They railed hard after the 2016 election - "OMG, what will I tell my kids??" - and yet they seem to have no responsibility when it comes to the real world safety of those kids; just the imaginary danger of "the Republicans". They think President Trump is going to kill everyone, yet turn a blind eye to the bully kid who actually terrorizes the students on a daily basis.

That's the truth. I've seen it myself. You don't have to like it, but it's still the truth.

Yep, I look back on teachers I had throughout my school years and a few stand out, both men and women. Those we're the teachers that had full control of the classroom at all times. Most of the time with those teachers they told us the first or second day of class how things worked in their rooms. If you got stupid in their class they removed you, it was that ####ing simple. Us kids were the same back then, it's the way it's handled nowdays. Toss the problems out of school. Recycling doesn't work.

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

I've never understood the need for Ph.d's and master's or even four-year college degrees to teach elementary/middle school kids. Tons of us grew up with great teachers who just were good at it. It can even come down to personality type of someone who can be socially involved and lead a group, simple extrovert personality. They can't teach you a personality type in college. I think there's two types of teachers, the kind I mentioned with a social personality and ability to lead, and the others who are actual introverts and would rather deal with kids than adults. I could be wrong.

Yup. So, the teachers get smarter (doubtful) while the kids get dumber? You are correct. Maths is maths. History is history. Science is science. Language, writing, spelling, composition, still the same. What more is there for a teacher to know about a given subject? All the extra schooling for teacher is to further feed the "need to have more degrees BS", and to steal more money from taxpayers to pay them much more and to feed their failing pension system. The public school system a nothing but an extortion racket using kids as fodder for the emotional and ignorant parents and populace.

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

Yep, I look back on teachers I had throughout my school years and a few stand out, both men and women. Those we're the teachers that had full control of the classroom at all times. Most of the time with those teachers they told us the first or second day of class how things worked in their rooms. If you got stupid in their class they removed you, it was that ####ing simple. Us kids were the same back then, it's the way it's handled nowdays. Toss the problems out of school. Recycling doesn't work.

And there was corporal punishment as well. In public schools. Don't forget that.

 

[MiddleGround]

My criticism of teachers is that they don't stand up for themselves and the kids in their classroom against the bureaucrats. On one hand, I feel for them and have sympathy for their situation. On the other hand, they could change that if they wanted to. They railed hard after the 2016 election - "OMG, what will I tell my kids??" - and yet they seem to have no responsibility when it comes to the real world safety of those kids; just the imaginary danger of "the Republicans". They think President Trump is going to kill everyone, yet turn a blind eye to the bully kid who actually terrorizes the students on a daily basis.

What is it with your incessant need to tie every god damn thread on this forum to Trump and politics?! Is there anything in your life that does NOT involve Trump, the evil Democrats, or politics??

 

[black dog]

If I may ...



And there was corporal punishment as well. In public schools. Don't forget that.

I don't have a problem with that, we had it in elementary.
I would go for if you don't want the school to paddle your kid then one of the parents has to show up and paddle the child to the principals satisfaction.
And the child sits in the office until said parent shows up to discipline the child.
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I agree with Vrai, control of the classroom could be achieved very quickly if folks demanded it.
One of the huge problems today with parents, they want to be their children's best friends instead of being parents.

 

[black dog]

What is it with your incessant need to tie every god damn thread on this forum to Trump and politics?! Is there anything in your life that does NOT involve Trump, the evil Democrats, or politics??

Is there anytime you're not a #######?
When she said stick your head in a oven and die, she forgot to tell you to turn on the gas first... Try again Forest...

 

[vraiblonde]

Is there anytime you're not a #######?

I know the answer to that! Pick me!

 

[MiddleGround]

Is there anytime you're not a #######?

Yes! Between the hours of midnight and 6am. You know, when you are making kissy kissy with your forum love

When she said stick your head in a oven and die....

I know! Great coming from the forum admin/moderator right? At least now I know why this place is populated pretty much exclusively with her buddies

 

[black dog]

I know the answer to that! Pick me!

It's like damn, it's ok to be a ass hole, but stop taking other folks turns...

 

[MiddleGround]

Question still stands though.. What does this topic have to do with Trump politics at all?

 

[black dog]

Yes! Between the hours of midnight and 6am.

One would think you could multitask at night and be able to post and run the floor buffer at the same time.

 

[Hannibal]

Clearly you have never been a child care provider. In fact, when Jack is an ahole to Diane, he gets removed from the group for a time out. If Jack has a nasty habit of physically attacking Diane - or any other child - or the care giver - he gets kicked out and Mommy has to find another place to stow her brat. If the brat isn't removed, the other parents remove their children, and Nanny doesn't want that.

Educators are not care givers. That's not even remotely in their job description. They do not feed the kids, they are not responsible for their safety, they do not change diapers or potty train or do any of the things child care workers do. They are there to educate, period.

I believe the analogy being discussed was babysitters vs teachers not child care providers vs teachers. So while the above is certainly accurate to your argument, it's not relevant to the analogy being provided.

You appear to be making the case that teachers are nothing more than slaves who must tolerate all manner of workplace abuse, and I am telling you flat out that that's not true. Teachers DO have power. They CAN make a difference. But they choose not to in these situations, and I'm not sure of the reason. I can't think of any other profession that would tolerate workplace violence and disrespect the way teachers do.

My criticism of teachers is that they don't stand up for themselves and the kids in their classroom against the bureaucrats. On one hand, I feel for them and have sympathy for their situation. On the other hand, they could change that if they wanted to. They railed hard after the 2016 election - "OMG, what will I tell my kids??" - and yet they seem to have no responsibility when it comes to the real world safety of those kids; just the imaginary danger of "the Republicans". They think President Trump is going to kill everyone, yet turn a blind eye to the bully kid who actually terrorizes the students on a daily basis.

That's the truth. I've seen it myself. You don't have to like it, but it's still the truth.

Much of my own experience (mother, mother in-law, teacher friends, parent to three kids) is largely limited to elementary school so when I think workplace violence, I acknowledge there are different degrees that each age range may have to deal with. But back to the point at hand, my argument has never been that workplace violence is/has been tolerated. You seem to be leaning more towards teachers being exposed to violence/unsafe conditions. I am leaning more towards teachers having to tolerate kid vs kid matters. I am not aware of any teacher who stands by for either - but when kid strikes a teacher, I am not aware of any situations where the school hasn't dealt with it. I am; however, aware of many instances where kid vs kid antics have been recognized by teachers and presented to administration only to be swept under the rug. In this instance, teachers are generally a slave to the system. Little Johnny may be on the spectrum and has the occasional outbursts in class. But the teacher can't remove him because Johnny is protected by the new rules/laws of inclusion. Little Anthony may have a problem keeping is hands to himself but just as soon as the teacher sends him to the principal - he is right back in class - smacking another kid in the back of the head.

Perhaps part of the issue is (referencing your last statement) that my circle of friends are largely right leaning and don't approach the work and their job in the manner in which you've defined them. Just the opposite in fact. I know what they do in their classrooms and I know how futile it is due to administration (and other things). This is frustrating to them and only serves to make this profession less and less worthy of their time/effort.

 

[Hannibal]

What if Diane was caught sucking someone else’s chilly dog outside the Tastee freeze?

Then she obviously didn't agree with the suggestion of running off behind a shady tree. Duh.

 

[black dog]

I believe the analogy being discussed was babysitters vs teachers not child care providers vs teachers. So while the above is certainly accurate to your argument, it's not relevant to the analogy being provided.



Much of my own experience (mother, mother in-law, teacher friends, parent to three kids) is largely limited to elementary school so when I think workplace violence, I acknowledge there are different degrees that each age range may have to deal with. But back to the point at hand, my argument has never been that workplace violence is/has been tolerated. You seem to be leaning more towards teachers being exposed to violence/unsafe conditions. I am leaning more towards teachers having to tolerate kid vs kid matters. I am not aware of any teacher who stands by for either - but when kid strikes a teacher, I am not aware of any situations where the school hasn't dealt with it. I am; however, aware of many instances where kid vs kid antics have been recognized by teachers and presented to administration only to be swept under the rug. In this instance, teachers are generally a slave to the system. Little Johnny may be on the spectrum and has the occasional outbursts in class. But the teacher can't remove him because Johnny is protected by the new rules/laws of inclusion. Little Anthony may have a problem keeping is hands to himself but just as soon as the teacher sends him to the principal - he is right back in class - smacking another kid in the back of the head.

Perhaps part of the issue is (referencing your last statement) that my circle of friends are largely right leaning and don't approach the work and their job in the manner in which you've defined them. Just the opposite in fact. I know what they do in their classrooms and I know how futile it is due to administration (and other things). This is frustrating to them and only serves to make this profession less and less worthy of their time/effort.

I'm quite certain that if a few teachers took a stand and made a statement that no ####ing way that Anthony the Weiner flasher can return to my class..
Anthony would never show his Weiner at that school again.. .

 

[black dog]

What if Diane was caught sucking someone else’s chilly dog outside the Tastee freeze?

Did Diane have a open relationship with her boyfriend?
It could end up if Diane has a boyfriend, he might say I kissed the lips the blew a &!$$@#

 

[MiddleGround]

One would think you could multitask at night and be able to post and run the floor buffer at the same time.

Us normal people sleep during those hours so we can wake up refreshed and return to our jobs between the hours of 7am and 4pm. I'll think of* you while I am working my normal shift and not sweating it out in the wee hours in a dank shop; dreaming of your next childish attempt to get the attention of your forum love bird











*actually I will be laughing

 

[MiddleGround]

I'm quite certain that if a few teachers took a stand and made a statement that no ####ing way that Anthony the Weiner flasher can return to my class..
Anthony would never show his Weiner at that school again.. .

WTF is it with you and kid's privates? Seek help... Mmmm-K?