Maryland is the worst place to retire

[vraiblonde]

I had considered that, but the winter can be pretty tough and long. You could head south for the season, but that gets expensive between fuel and non-resident dockage.

Not to mention that when hurricane season hits, you have nowhere safe to go.

A couple I follow on Twitter used to live aboard a sailboat and would chronicle their adventures. They'd been hit and destroyed several times, and this last one made them pack it in and buy an RV.

 

[vraiblonde]

No I'm not.

Me either. Whoever that is, I blocked them for a reason, and that reason is because they never add anything to the discussion. Just ranting and insults and hate-filled garbage. They can get help or they can hang themselves, I don't care which, but either way I have no intention of making that crap part of my day.

 

[officeguy]

My lower middle class (while they were working) folks moved down South from New York about 30 years ago. They did quite well selling their almost 40-YO house which helped to ease the pain of living there. In the late 1980s they felt they had to move as their small-out-on-Long-Island-subdivision-home had property taxes of $8,000 per year! That's over $15k in today's dollars. They were literally sending their retirement dollars straight to the tax assessor's office. I honestly don't know how/why folks keep putting up with it.

Well, someone has to pay the 1000 jailers that guard 900 inmates and the $100k public employee starting salaries. How unpatriotic of your folks for not 'paying their fair share'......

Same here. The regressive property taxes on LI are eyewatering. Doesnt seem to bother the opinion leaders who live in the Hamptons.

 

[stgislander]

Me either. Whoever that is, I blocked them for a reason, and that reason is because they never add anything to the discussion. Just ranting and insults and hate-filled garbage. They can get help or they can hang themselves, I don't care which, but either way I have no intention of making that crap part of my day.

As Board Mommy, if you don't read the hate they spew how do you know when to put them in timeout?

 

[vraiblonde]

As Board Mommy, if you don't read the hate they spew how do you know when to put them in timeout?

Someone will let me know. There are several forumites who very kindly report those who don't know how to act in public.

 

[Yooper]

Well, someone has to pay the 1000 jailers that guard 900 inmates and the $100k public employee starting salaries. How unpatriotic of your folks for not 'paying their fair share'......

Same here. The regressive property taxes on LI are eyewatering. Doesnt seem to bother the opinion leaders who live in the Hamptons.

At the time my folks gave up and moved they were living in a house and on a lot that was far smaller than what I have now (which is no palace, I assure you) and they were assessed (in 2019 USD) 5x more than my assessment. When you factor in lot size and home size differential that amounts to about 12x my assessment! And this doesn't include all the other taxes NY seems to want to throw in (see below).

My in-laws recently passed away and their home's final assessment was $12k (a 70-YO home on a 1/8 lot in a very lower-middle class subdivision on the Nassau/Suffolk county line)! Yup, I get that all the yuppies (or whatever the group is called today) are moving in to be near NYC and driving up prices in the process, but they apparently have the salaries to support such insanity. If my father-in-law made more than $45K annually at any point of his life I'd be shocked to know that. For them and folks like them, just the property taxes were taking up 25% (or more) of what was their working years salary. By the time they died they had exhausted their life-long savings just trying to stay in the home they lived their entire married life in.

And this tax burden didn't include the high sales tax (and other local taxes) as well as taxes my father and F-I-L had to pay to NYC because they worked blue collar jobs in the city (NYC's wonderful solution to getting more revenue after its mid-1970s bankruptcy).

Yes, yes, choices. Choices where to live, choices how much to save. Both my parents and my wife's parents made excellent choices, yet at the end couldn't keep up due to the regressive taxing. They did make another choice: both sets of parents made the switch from life-long Democrats to the Republican Party over this ever-increasing tax burden. Unfortunately, while many folks made the switch with them, the Dems then used the same playbook they use today: import more of a dependent class for voting majority purposes.

--- End of line (MCP)

 

[BernieP]

That's probably the primary reason we're bailing; having to fork out over a $1000 a month just for property taxes and Metcom is not appealing at all.

must be nice to own a property valued at over a million
Our tax bill is under $3000 a year for a house valued around $300K

 

[BernieP]

Besides the high burden of taxes Maryland throws out to you. Sales, income, property, gas etc., I think just the horrible traffic we suffer,
even in lovely St. Mary's we are held hostage between 6:00am until 9:00am....11:00am until 1:00pm and then 3:00pm unit 6m.
Then you have Prince Frederick, Waldorf and Brandywine gridlock. I am not even talking about commuting to DC, Annapolis or Baltimore for work from anywhere, especially from MoCo, PG or AA counties. The gridlock north of Baltimore is some of the worse in the country.

Then from May to October a weekend at the "Ocean Hon".....it's impossible unless you want to leave on a Wednesday between 2:00 and 4:00.

That what happens when you have a bunch in DEMS ripping off all the taxes and fees for their Union buddies and do not put it into infrastructure projects.

End of Rant

Welcome to living on a peninsula, where there there is one road that goes north / south and few that go east / west.
I-95 has a similar problem, it's the main east coast interstate highway and there is simply no two ways around it.
You think North of Baltimore is bad, you should see Delaware, particularly heading over the Memorial Bridge to NJ.
Or from Chester north to Philadelphia.
I think any major metro area would vote they had the worst traffic.
We still use our personal vehicles.
I was a train rider and use to get a little ticked off with the people who would only use the train in bad weather and then complain about no seats
Like if they were riding all the time the train would have the seats.

 

[vraiblonde]

There are so many great places to live in this country where the city/state doesn't treat its citizens like a piggy bank, I don't really understand why anyone would live in the indentured government servant states.

But really, stay where you are, you blue staters. You move to those great states, then do your best to turn it into the shithole you left.

 

[GWguy]

While I get the Hamptons reference, I feel a need to clarify. I lived just a short distance from "The Hamptons" and went to college in Southampton. While they have a reputation for high priced houses and extravagant lifestyles, that is reserved to a relatively small area, maybe 5 miles of the southern coast of Long Island. Places like West Hampton are nice, quaint, quiet little towns with a lot of summer traffic. East Hampton is middle class. Southampton and Hampton Bays have areas of downright poverty. Aside from small stretches and pockets of luxury, specifically along the water, it's no different than any other middle class neighborhoods. Think Malibu Beach in California.

Anyway, yes, the taxes are stupid high, but there is a lot rolled into those taxes that you pay for separately here. Garbage collection including large items, leaf pickup, access to beaches and parks are all rolled into the taxes. Lots of other stuff too.

 

[Yooper]

But really, stay where you are, you blue staters. You move to those great states, then do your best to turn it into the shithole you left.

Truer words have never been spoken.

Look at what's happened to Colorado & happening to Texas (CA flee-ers) or FLA, NC, & now TN (NYC area flee-ers). These folks complain about the problem they created and then re-create in their new communities.

--- End of line (MCP)

 

[vraiblonde]

Truer words have never been spoken.

Look at what's happened to Colorado & happening to Texas (CA flee-ers) or FLA, NC, & now TN (NYC area flee-ers). These folks complain about the problem they created and then re-create in their new communities.

--- End of line (MCP)

They're like a communicable disease. Pretty soon the whole country will be infected.

 

[stgislander]

Truer words have never been spoken.

Look at what's happened to Colorado & happening to Texas (CA flee-ers) or FLA, NC, & now TN (NYC area flee-ers). These folks complain about the problem they created and then re-create in their new communities.

--- End of line (MCP)

I'd add New Hampshire (Masshole flee-ers) to that.

 

[officeguy]

When I retire, I won't care how bad rush-hour traffic is. Taxes, weather and cost of living are what I care about.

 

[Yooper]

I'd add New Hampshire (Masshole flee-ers) to that.

Yeah. I angry-faced your post because my family's from up there and I had intended to retire there (up near Berlin) and it has gotten horrible.

So bad that my relatives lament NH is now known as MA-lite.

Ugh.

--- End of line (MCP)

 

[officeguy]

My in-laws recently passed away and their home's final assessment was $12k (a 70-YO home on a 1/8 lot in a very lower-middle class subdivision on the Nassau/Suffolk county line)! Yup, I get that all the yuppies (or whatever the group is called today) are moving in to be near NYC and driving up prices in the process, but they apparently have the salaries to support such insanity. If my father-in-law made more than $45K annually at any point of his life I'd be shocked to know that. For them and folks like them, just the property taxes were taking up 25% (or more) of what was their working years salary. By the time they died they had exhausted their life-long savings just trying to stay in the home they lived their entire married life in.

That's the bizarre thing. Most of the homes with the 15 and 20k tax bills in Nassau are nothing to look at and located in neighborhoods that are anything but posh. They are not even expensive as homes go.

 

[officeguy]

While I get the Hamptons reference, I feel a need to clarify. I lived just a short distance from "The Hamptons" and went to college in Southampton. While they have a reputation for high priced houses and extravagant lifestyles, that is reserved to a relatively small area, maybe 5 miles of the southern coast of Long Island. Places like West Hampton are nice, quaint, quiet little towns with a lot of summer traffic. East Hampton is middle class. Southampton and Hampton Bays have areas of downright poverty. Aside from small stretches and pockets of luxury, specifically along the water, it's no different than any other middle class neighborhoods. Think Malibu Beach in California.

Anyway, yes, the taxes are stupid high, but there is a lot rolled into those taxes that you pay for separately here. Garbage collection including large items, leaf pickup, access to beaches and parks are all rolled into the taxes. Lots of other stuff too.

I pay $25/mo for a trash hauler to empty my can once a week and I don't want streetlights. That leaves about $11,700 to pay for the 'parks'.





The brutal tax burden in NY and NJ doesn't pay for parks. It pays for public corruption, boondoggle building projects, mediocre schools and above all, for absurdly inflated public employee salaries and pensions. 'Good work if you can get it' is what it's called. 'Assistant deputy inspector of gardening stores' and you pull 150k for a 2 day/week job.

 

[Gilligan]

must be nice to own a property valued at over a million
Our tax bill is under $3000 a year for a house valued around $300K

$3000 in taxes isn't chump change... And no.. It's not "nice"...I bought the property a long time ago for little more than 10% of what the state thinks its worth now.

 

[Gilligan]

Truer words have never been spoken.

Look at what's happened to Colorado & happening to Texas (CA flee-ers) or FLA, NC, & now TN (NYC area flee-ers). These folks complain about the problem they created and then re-create in their new communities.

--- End of line (MCP)

And Oregon and Washington.....so sad to watch both of those once-fine states being completely destroyed by the liberal hordes.

 

[TPD]

Besides the high burden of taxes Maryland throws out to you. Sales, income, property, gas etc., I think just the horrible traffic we suffer,
even in lovely St. Mary's we are held hostage between 6:00am until 9:00am....11:00am until 1:00pm and then 3:00pm unit 6m.
Then you have Prince Frederick, Waldorf and Brandywine gridlock. I am not even talking about commuting to DC, Annapolis or Baltimore for work from anywhere, especially from MoCo, PG or AA counties. The gridlock north of Baltimore is some of the worse in the country.

Then from May to October a weekend at the "Ocean Hon".....it's impossible unless you want to leave on a Wednesday between 2:00 and 4:00.

That what happens when you have a bunch in DEMS ripping off all the taxes and fees for their Union buddies and do not put it into infrastructure projects.

End of Rant

This right here! I thought I was the only one who felt this way. I can put up with a lot of stuff but the traffic in the lower part of this county is really pushing up my retirement age and a move to another state...