Maui to Rebuilt as a Smart Island

DaSDGuy

Well-Known Member
You say "they test them once a week" - funny the Maui site says the test is once a month at 11:45AM on the first state workday of the month and they only go off for 60 seconds, unlike a true emergency when they sound for 3 to five minutes and then repeat - source

Thus if they had sounded them and people went outside (smelled the smoke) or tuned into local Radio/TV/Cable stations for emergency information and instructions by official authorities, like they are supposed to do, some of them might have saved themselves.
Funny, my brother has been there over a dozen times and they tested once per week. Not surprised they said once per month on the tourist site. I'll take the word of someone who has been there over an internet tourist brochure.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
Funny, my brother has been there over a dozen times and they tested once per week. Not surprised they said once per month on the tourist site. I'll take the word of someone who has been there over an internet tourist brochure.
Didn't click the link did you.
 

TPD

the poor dad
So you are telling me that governments can send an alert to our phones at 1am telling us about an armed robbery that took place 3 miles from us or a child that was abducted 25 miles away, but we can’t get an alert about a tsunami climate changing wildfire in our backyard? Yup sounds about right.

Concerning tuning to your local radio or tv station- kids these days have no clue what that is. With people cutting cable television service and only listening to Sirius or Spotify, local news sources are useless. The more we advance, the farther behind we get.
 

stgislander

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PREMO Member
So you are telling me that governments can send an alert to our phones at 1am telling us about an armed robbery that took place 3 miles from us or a child that was abducted 25 miles away, but we can’t get an alert about a tsunami climate changing wildfire in our backyard? Yup sounds about right.
I wish that was the case. The one last week was what.. Harford or Cecil County?
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

Oprah Winfrey beclowns herself on Maui

By Susan Daniels


In the Democrat tradition of never letting a crisis go to waste, Oprah Winfrey demonstrated her lack of understanding of the Aloha spirit.

In Maui, she showed up at the War Memorial Stadium, an open-air structure now housing 1,000 refugees from the Lahaina fire, and passed out pillows, diapers, and other items she purchased from Costco and Walmart.

That was good.

What was not good was when she returned three days later with a CBS camera crew and wanted to tape the grief. To her surprise, she was turned away. Local camera crews were sitting outside the stadium, unable to go in, but she thought that she would be allowed in. Some of those now living in the stadium were not so impressed by her.

One unnamed woman on a social media outlet said: “Virtue signaling and putting people who are traumatized and have lost everything on news to make yourself look important is really gross in my opinion. I know everyone thinks she’s such a saint for bringing a few pillows. She owns thousands of acres and is a billionaire. She could be setting up temporary housing for those displaced on her lands.”

Oprah owns 2,000 acres on Maui, several houses, and an airplane hangar. Her act of passing out diapers from Costco pales next to what she has at her discretion. She has said she will make a financial donation but her reputation is already tarnished — some suspect beyond repair.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

Deadly Hawaii Fires Are Result of Political and Policy Failures—Not Climate Change



But is there any truth to those claims?

The reality is that the increased prevalence of huge, destructive fires has been largely the product of poor forest management. In the U.S. and Canada, a combination of environmentalism, general neglect, and government incompetence has put many regions in an increased state of fire danger.

Fires are going to happen. Huge, towering infernos that engulf whole regions are much more preventable.

As Elise McCue wrote in an excellent report for The Daily Signal, Maui has been at high risk for big fires due to many factors. The disappearance of Hawaii’s sugar cane and agricultural industry is a big one. Many former sugar cane fields have been taken over by large stretches of dry, flammable grass.

According to Anthony Watts, a senior fellow at the Heartland Institute, the topography of Maui creates particularly dry conditions on large parts of the island and high winds. So, you have an enormous amount of fuel and dry conditions in a region that—global warming or not—gets quite hot.

This was a tinderbox—and a huge catastrophe waiting to happen.

What’s infuriating in the case of Hawaii is that state officials had been warned about this problem for years.

“In 2014, a wildfire-protection plan for the area was written by the Hawaii Wildfire Management Organization, a nonprofit that works with government agencies,” according to The Wall Street Journal. “It warned that Lahaina was among Maui’s most fire-prone areas because of its proximity to parched grasslands, steep terrain and frequent winds.”

According to the Journal, the plan—which included state officials—laid out clear measures to protect Lahaina from fire. It recommended “thinning vegetation near populated areas, improving wildfire-response capabilities, and working with landowners and utilities to help reduce fire risk on their property.”


These recommendations were more than reasonable, but they appear to have been half-completed, at best.

It’s important to note that Hawaii has been beset by public corruption for a long time, and there are plenty of signs that the state wasn’t exactly prepared to meet the challenge of a predictable big fire.
 

Clem72

Well-Known Member
People act like wildfires aren't a natural occurrence. There's a reason California has so many different species of plants that REQUIRE fire in order to reproduce, it's a natural adaptation to the environment. Pretending it isn't and then getting upset when fires that are supposed to happen regularly are pushed back for decades until they explode all at once is silly. As is (in Maui's case) growing fire hazard plants and crossing your fingers and hoping you never have a 3-days in a row without rain allowing the stuff to dry out enough to catch fire.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
Concerning tuning to your local radio or tv station- kids these days have no clue what that is. With people cutting cable television service and only listening to Sirius or Spotify, local news sources are useless. The more we advance, the farther behind we get.

This ^^

Remember my prediction that we'll start trending back to basics....
 

black dog

Free America
The problem with Opr

Oprah Winfrey beclowns herself on Maui

By Susan Daniels


In the Democrat tradition of never letting a crisis go to waste, Oprah Winfrey demonstrated her lack of understanding of the Aloha spirit.

In Maui, she showed up at the War Memorial Stadium, an open-air structure now housing 1,000 refugees from the Lahaina fire, and passed out pillows, diapers, and other items she purchased from Costco and Walmart.

That was good.

What was not good was when she returned three days later with a CBS camera crew and wanted to tape the grief. To her surprise, she was turned away. Local camera crews were sitting outside the stadium, unable to go in, but she thought that she would be allowed in. Some of those now living in the stadium were not so impressed by her.

One unnamed woman on a social media outlet said: “Virtue signaling and putting people who are traumatized and have lost everything on news to make yourself look important is really gross in my opinion. I know everyone thinks she’s such a saint for bringing a few pillows. She owns thousands of acres and is a billionaire. She could be setting up temporary housing for those displaced on her lands.”

Oprah owns 2,000 acres on Maui, several houses, and an airplane hangar. Her act of passing out diapers from Costco pales next to what she has at her discretion. She has said she will make a financial donation but her reputation is already tarnished — some suspect beyond repair.
The problem with Oprah and many like her is when she does something good, it has to have pictures and be on the evening news and the printed periodicals. She just has to tell the world what she does.
She would be better off being like some of the other wealthy that own property on Maui.

Haven't heard much from Bezos

Lauren Sánchez, Jeff Bezos’ fiancee and vice chair of the Bezos Earth Fund, said in posts on Instagram and Threads Friday afternoon that the couple is establishing a $100 million Maui Fund to “help Maui get back on its feet now and over the coming years.” She made the announcement as wildfires continue to burn in Maui on Friday in what is one of the largest natural disasters in the state’s history.
 

herb749

Well-Known Member

Oprah Winfrey beclowns herself on Maui

By Susan Daniels


In the Democrat tradition of never letting a crisis go to waste, Oprah Winfrey demonstrated her lack of understanding of the Aloha spirit.

In Maui, she showed up at the War Memorial Stadium, an open-air structure now housing 1,000 refugees from the Lahaina fire, and passed out pillows, diapers, and other items she purchased from Costco and Walmart.

That was good.

What was not good was when she returned three days later with a CBS camera crew and wanted to tape the grief. To her surprise, she was turned away. Local camera crews were sitting outside the stadium, unable to go in, but she thought that she would be allowed in. Some of those now living in the stadium were not so impressed by her.

One unnamed woman on a social media outlet said: “Virtue signaling and putting people who are traumatized and have lost everything on news to make yourself look important is really gross in my opinion. I know everyone thinks she’s such a saint for bringing a few pillows. She owns thousands of acres and is a billionaire. She could be setting up temporary housing for those displaced on her lands.”

Oprah owns 2,000 acres on Maui, several houses, and an airplane hangar. Her act of passing out diapers from Costco pales next to what she has at her discretion. She has said she will make a financial donation but her reputation is already tarnished — some suspect beyond repair.

So did Biden send her instead of himself .? He knows Hawaii is a safe democrat state so why bother.
 

herb749

Well-Known Member
The problem with Opr

The problem with Oprah and many like her is when she does something good, it has to have pictures and be on the evening news and the printed periodicals. She just has to tell the world what she does.
She would be better off being like some of the other wealthy that own property on Maui.

Haven't heard much from Bezos

Lauren Sánchez, Jeff Bezos’ fiancee and vice chair of the Bezos Earth Fund, said in posts on Instagram and Threads Friday afternoon that the couple is establishing a $100 million Maui Fund to “help Maui get back on its feet now and over the coming years.” She made the announcement as wildfires continue to burn in Maui on Friday in what is one of the largest natural disasters in the state’s history.

When's the music concert fundraiser . :rolleyes:
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Hawaiian Electric allegedly knew that shutting down power to lines subjected to strong sustained winds was an effective mitigating protocol regarding wildfires. A hurricane off the coast brought on the winds. No official determination has been issued, but sparks from stressed power lines likely caused this fire.

Over the weekend, as the death toll was rising, the press questioned a vacationing Joe Biden about the crisis at Rehoboth Beach, Delaware. Biden responded, “No comment,” which drew an intense backlash. He really couldn’t say anything regarding this tragedy. Biden’s reputation for empathy took a hit, but while this was a horrible remark, it wasn’t the worst. Meet the Maui disaster chief who defended not triggering the alarm system on the island as the fire approached populated areas, saying those people wouldn’t have been saved anyway (via NY Post) [emphasis mine]:












 

DaSDGuy

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Like was stated before, the sirens did not sound because the few people who could hear them would head directly into the fire. They are for tsunami warnings only.

Maui official explains why sirens were not sounded during wildfires​

 
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