Maybe some repub can explain this to me

SamSpade

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J.South said:
I never intended this discussion to be made into anything racial but, it's funny to me how that article mentions other tactics of excluding blacks from the polls besides the felony convicts

That's because the only reason it gets brought up in the press is because, Democrats are whining about it, because they think it cost them votes. And many on here try to stay abreast of political issues.

The main reason that I've come across is, that unlike other rights spelled out specifically in the Constitution - and in the literature of the day and in the Declaration - rights such as freedom of speech, religion, press and so on being granted to men by God - the right to vote has transitioned from a right of a privileged class of persons, to more and more persons. Thus it was extended to include blacks, women, non-property owners, those over 18, those unwilling to pay a 'poll tax' and so on. We call it a 'right' but it has been one granted by the government, rather than an existing one recognized by the government.

(I bring that up because, that's the way most of our rights work - Congress is not allowed to make laws abridging these rights, and so on, because they are understood to exist already).

Historically, criminals were denied these basic rights. They simply haven't been 'recognized' as deserving of them, and I doubt any candidate wants to go about with a platform of restoring felon's rights to vote.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
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SamSpade said:
That's because the only reason it gets brought up in the press is because, Democrats are whining about it, because they think it cost them votes. And many on here try to stay abreast of political issues.

The main reason that I've come across is, that unlike other rights spelled out specifically in the Constitution - and in the literature of the day and in the Declaration - rights such as freedom of speech, religion, press and so on being granted to men by God - the right to vote has transitioned from a right of a privileged class of persons, to more and more persons. Thus it was extended to include blacks, women, non-property owners, those over 18, those unwilling to pay a 'poll tax' and so on. We call it a 'right' but it has been one granted by the government, rather than an existing one recognized by the government.

(I bring that up because, that's the way most of our rights work - Congress is not allowed to make laws abridging these rights, and so on, because they are understood to exist already).

Historically, criminals were denied these basic rights. They simply haven't been 'recognized' as deserving of them, and I doubt any candidate wants to go about with a platform of restoring felon's rights to vote.
What about Marion Barry? I think it would be the dead center of his platform.
 

vraiblonde

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You'd think it would embarrass Democrats to be so popular with the criminal set, wouldn't you?
 

Sparx

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As I've said before,...go to a clan meeting and ask for a show of hands from all the registered Democrats in the crowd...LOL.
 

Toxick

Splat
Sparx said:
As I've said before,...go to a clan meeting and ask for a show of hands from all the registered Democrats in the crowd...LOL.


Are you saying that because racists are typically republican, that republicans are typically racist?

If not, please elaborate.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
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Sparx said:
As I've said before,...go to a clan meeting and ask for a show of hands from all the registered Democrats in the crowd...LOL.
Or better yet, go to a Democratic Senators meeting and ask for a show of hands from all KKK members. :jet:
 

ylexot

Super Genius
Sparx said:
As I've said before,...go to a clan meeting and ask for a show of hands from all the registered Democrats in the crowd...LOL.
The clan may like the Republican party, but the party does not like the clan.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
J.South said:
:lmao: I still can't believe he got elected again
Well that was just their primary, hopefully he won't be the choice at the general election but you can never tell about those folk in DC.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Good question South...

...the answer is quite simply actually; defense mechanism.

Modern liberalism shuns personal responsibility (unless you skipped a few days of National Guard duty).

The mindset of modern liberalism is very prevelant throughout our court system and results in all sorts of insanity in judgment and rulings that results in an average sentence for murder of 7 years and in our nations Capital, a 60% unsolved rate for homocides.

People have grown to fear criminals as people who get away with murder and we've grown away from respecting a con as someone who has done their time and are only looking for a chance to do right.

We all know the stories of jails becoming finishing schools for crooks. They learn, at societies expense, how to get away with more crime. We make them harder, stronger and smarter.

This is the result of the intersection of modern liberalisms desire to tell everyone else what to do, so they become judges and lawyers, and their inante inability to pass proper judgment.

Hell, 51% of US citizens think we deserved 9/11 so how tough can it be to tell a murderer that society, through his victim, had it coming?

So, as a defense mechanism, people want SOMETHING to be done, so, restirctions of voting rights sound good when you don't believe the parolee has paid his debt in the first place.

To me, we MUST reform our jails into places of punishment and rehabilitation. You don't get with the program, be civilized, you die in jail.

And we must reward a con who has paid his debt, a real debt, with re-establishment of full citizenship including the right to keep and bear arms and the right to vote.

Of course, if you murdered, you should never see the light of free day again.

Modern liberalisms value system and judgement is all ####ed up. Kill an unborn child all you want. Criminals? Why, we must CARE about their rights!
 

willie

Well-Known Member
itsbob said:
I would guess, in that being a convicted felon, your ability to make good sound choices has come into question.. and I thought this was constitutional not a STATE choice.. you get convicted.. you lose the right..
If it is a question of not making sound choices, all divorcees should lose the right.
 

Toxick

Splat
willie said:
If it is a question of not making sound choices, all divorcees should lose the right.


There are several orders of magnitude of difference between thinking you're in love with someone and choosing to get married, and choosing to, say, rob a bank - and take hostages. Or murdering someone. Or raping someone.


In my humble opinion.
 
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