My vote for President is entirely based on character. Campaign promises are smoke and mirrors, and I can barely remember a significant one that was ever kept.
McCain Involved in 5 Major Mishaps in Navy
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My vote for President is entirely based on character. Campaign promises are smoke and mirrors, and I can barely remember a significant one that was ever kept.
How did Americans fair when they deemed George Bush a man of character?
Nonno
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The problem with McCain is he has been touting his being a POW as if he is the POW of all POWs. He certainly got a free pass on his collaboration with the Vietnamese at the same time he was accusing Major Overly ("the man who saved my life") of being a "fink" for accepting early release. The man is dead now but if he were alive I'd like to ask him why he refused to speak with McCain ever again. I'm sure it had something to do with the unwarranted besmirching of his reputation by McCain.
cwo_ghwebb
No Use for Donk Twits
When did you stop spanking yourself?
itsbob
I bowl overhand
He crashed five planes.
Admiral Stockdale, who was awarded an MOH, and also was in the Hanoi Hilton crashed how many?
Was five aircraft incidents in the amount of time and the time period he served an abnormality or a norm?
I'm thinking it was a norm, so them reporting it as a bad thing if bullsht
itsbob
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Skyraider jet!!
Apparently the people writing the articles know not about what they speak..
DANGEROUS aircraft to fly.. extremely dangerous missions in Vietnam and elsewhere, and even very dangerous to fly in peacetime training.
VERY slow ground attack propeller driven airplane.. their mission was generally flying VERY close to the ground and providing air support to ground troops. SPecial kind of pilot to fly those planes and yes they were much more susceptible to crashes in peacetime.
Apparently the people writing the articles know not about what they speak..
DANGEROUS aircraft to fly.. extremely dangerous missions in Vietnam and elsewhere, and even very dangerous to fly in peacetime training.
VERY slow ground attack propeller driven airplane.. their mission was generally flying VERY close to the ground and providing air support to ground troops. SPecial kind of pilot to fly those planes and yes they were much more susceptible to crashes in peacetime.
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itsbob
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So he really can lift his arms above his shoulders? He's not really in constant pain from his treatment, lack or treatment or the torture he endured?
It's all just an act?
The RU has photoshopped his pictures to make it LOOK like he can't lift his arms much more than waist high??
Green Berets, Seals, all the SOC know nobody can endure torture NOBODY (despite what everyone says, torture is VERY effective). Even they are trained to resist as LONG AS THEY CAN. A green Beret gets captured their command changes EVERYTHING they can that they the captured soldier has knowledge of within 24 hours. With the hope the captured SPECIAL FORCES soldier can hold out for 24 hours. McCain was a Pilot, not a Green Beret, his training was not much when compared, so how long do YOU, the expert, believe McCain should have held out?
How did Obama react in the face of fire when he served?
How did Obama do when the Vietnamese tortured him?
Wait, we have NOTHING to compare here do we? G
Generally speaking Obama hasn't done ANYTHING in comparison to what McCain has done or endured.. Easy to throw stones at someone when you yourself have never been in that situation and we have no way to say how the other person would have fared.
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Nonno
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I agree that it was the norm, the norm for mediocre pilots. Remember how many Americans got chewed up in the Vietnam war. Then, as now, the military lowered their standards in order to fill the ranks.
Remember, some of McCain's "flathatting" resulting in so called accidents were done over populated areas, what does that have to say about his judgement?
Nonno
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Some have used his torture to explain why he can't use a computer! Here's a guy that flips around a handheld microphone like a NY street juggler yet can't operate a mouse. Who feeds him, who wipes his butt or picks his nose? Cindy? Let it go. Let him go back to visit the military rehabilitation wards and emulate our boys who are making an extreme effort to get their lives back on track and are not touting it as being something special.When I became more politically active.
chernmax
NOT Politically Correct!!
It says he did his best to serve his country in combat situations verse your Boy Blunder Obama who has lived a life of poor judgment by surrounding himself with know domestic terrorist, slum lords, radical Reverends, failed community organizations, ACORN, money launderes, and a slew of other shady characters. But your good with that asshat!!!
itsbob
I bowl overhand
I don't know of ANY mdiocre pilots that are chosen to fly ground attack aircraft.. those are usually the better of the breed.
Mediocre pilots usually end up elsewhere. Someone has to fly the cargo planes, and the mail.
Nonno
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You ARE a boob! Tell that to the pilots who resupply the troops during combat operations, not to mention medevac aircrew.
itsbob
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Not a boob, just stating facts.
You go through the initial flight school, most times the top 10% get to chose their aircraft. The rest are assigned to type and model. Cargo planes and COD are NOT the most sought after type, nor are they where the send the best. Not to embarass anyone that is a pilot or to denigrate what anyone does, just stating fact.
Lastly.. flying off of a carrier? Yeah, they're pretty good. Add that to flying down the barrels of AA Artillery and missiles.. the primary mission of A-4's in Vietnam. Yeah, I can see why you would question his character, his courage and his ability.
Nonno
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Not a boob, just stating facts.
You go through the initial flight school, most times the top 10% get to chose their aircraft. The rest are assigned to type and model. Cargo planes and COD are NOT the most sought after type, nor are they where the send the best. Not to embarass anyone that is a pilot or to denigrate what anyone does, just stating fact.
Lastly.. flying off of a carrier? Yeah, they're pretty good. Add that to flying down the barrels of AA Artillery and missiles.. the primary mission of A-4's in Vietnam. Yeah, I can see why you would question his character, his courage and his ability.[/quote
Yeah, I'm going to go to you for "facts".
itsbob
I bowl overhand
Not a boob, just stating facts.
You go through the initial flight school, most times the top 10% get to chose their aircraft. The rest are assigned to type and model. Cargo planes and COD are NOT the most sought after type, nor are they where the send the best. Not to embarass anyone that is a pilot or to denigrate what anyone does, just stating fact.
Lastly.. flying off of a carrier? Yeah, they're pretty good. Add that to flying down the barrels of AA Artillery and missiles.. the primary mission of A-4's in Vietnam. Yeah, I can see why you would question his character, his courage and his ability.[/quote
Yeah, I'm going to go to you for "facts".
I don't see any pilots, or Navy or Air Force people here debating the facts..
MOST of the people on this board are somehow affiliated with Naval Air, and the pilots.. I don't see any disagreement to what I suggest to be fact.
Nonno
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itsbob
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Please quote me where I said that?