MD Legislation now says pitbulls are "dangerous"

Chasey_Lane

Salt Life
Whatever happened to these dogs being arguably the most popular family dog at the beginning of the 20th century?

Not to mention the pitbull being used in WWI proganda. Stubby, a pit bull, is the most decorated war dog in US history. Pitbulls haved saved countless lives (which you won't see on the news) They are working dog, military dogs, police dogs, search and resuce dogs, and fantastic family dogs...WHEN RAISED CORRECTLY (Just like any other dog).

A dog's breed has nothing, zero, zilch, to do with how they act.
A family member of mine has two pits, a male and a female. They were both puppies when they were adopted TOGETHER. One is the sweetest most laid back dog ever. The other is very aggressive. Again, they were raised together, same house, same food, same people, same everything. They are completely different dogs.
 

mAlice

professional daydreamer
A family member of mine has two pits, a male and a female. They were both puppies when they were adopted TOGETHER. One is the sweetest most laid back dog ever. The other is very aggressive. Again, they were raised together, same house, same food, same people, same everything. They are completely different dogs.

Are you sure they're pits? cuz' people mistake those all the time, ya' know.
 

Chris0nllyn

Well-Known Member
I disagree with this. Too many times you read, or hear, or see, that they just snap.

You can post your opinion, historical facts, and news items all you want. Doesn't change the fact that regardless of how well you raise them, you may be their next meal.

I was attached by a great dane when I was 6. I'm still more afraid of a pit (type) dog than a great dane.

Sorry, but when have you heard a story where a "pitbull" attcked, or killed someone, but it turned out it wasn't a pitbull? When have you ever read a story where the news outlet goes back and corrects it's story after posting a "pitbull" attack?

The National Canine Research Counsil (They've been researching dog bites for 20 years) has their Preliminary Report on Dog Bite-Related Fatalities in 2011.

Want to know what they found out?

NCRC is currently investigating 31 incidents in a dog population of over 78 million that occurred during 2011 that may qualify as dog bite-related fatalities.

News reports published in the moment usually refer to the dogs involved as “family” dogs, implying that these were dogs whose owners interacted with them on a regular basis in positive and humane ways. Later investigation shows that most of the dogs involved in these incidents were “resident” dogs - victims of isolation, and often abuse or neglect. NCRC's preliminary findings for 2011 are consistent with findings concerning the dog bite-related fatalities of years past. In 2010, the news media initially described the dogs in 29 of 33 (88%) dog bite-related fatalities as “family” pets, but investigations disclose that only 7 (21%) were family pets.

The news media regularly describe dogs as members of specific breeds. Yet, NCRC’s investigations over the years show that a majority of the breed descriptors assigned by the news media cannot be documented or otherwise considered reasonable (through pedigree, DNA or otherwise). For example, NCRC investigations of the dog bite-related fatalities in 2010 showed that in only eleven of the cases could the breed descriptors assigned to the dogs be documented, or otherwise considered reasonable. Eight different kinds of dogs were identified in those eleven incidents. The breed composition of all the other dogs was indeterminate, whatever the news media reported about them. In fact, in three cases in 2010, news stories identified dogs and attributed breeds to those dogs that detectives later determined were NOT the dogs involved in the incident. The dog(s) responsible were never identified or captured.
News outlets, having moved on to other, pressing issues, never corrected this.

There is no scientific evidence that one kind of dog is more likely to injure a human being than another kind of dog. There is no evidence that, absent circumstances specifically associated with mating or maternal protectiveness, a dog being intact should be understood as a cause of aggressive behavior
toward human beings.
And for every “resident” dog that injured a human being, multitudes sadly similarly kept injured no one. Yet, as NCRC’s mission is to preserve the human-canine bond, these rare tragedies serve as a reminder
that all dog owners have an unequivocal responsibility for the humane care (including proper diet, veterinary care, socialization and training), custody (including licensing and micro-chipping), and control of their dogs.

http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/tinymce/NCRC Preliminary Report 2011.pdf


What's REALLY interesting, is the NCRC's 2010 Final Dog-Bite Realted Fatalities.
http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/tinymce/2010 DBRF Report FINAL_1.pdf

There were 33 dog bite-related fatalities in 2010 (Out of 78 Million dogs)

The majority of these isolated tragedies – 21 out of 33 – involved resident dogs, not family pets.
Resident dogs are those whose owners isolate the dogs from regular, positive human interactions. Owners often keep resident dogs isolated on chains, in junk-yards, or allow their dogs to roam unattended. Owners of resident dogs often fail to provide basic humane care for their dogs resulting in animals that suffer from malnutrition or chronic disease or illness.

In only 4 of the 33 cases in 2010, did the owners spay or neuter their dogs; and in 6 of the 33 cases, an owner and/or owner-parent was charged with a crime.

Johnny Wilson was found by his daughter. At the time of the incident, Wilson was alone in the junk-strewn home with four adult dogs and two puppies, all of whom belonged to his daughter. It will never be known what contributed to this incident. However, the daughter told investigators the “dogs were afraid of her father.”

Breed attribution: Indeterminate
Details: The media reported the dogs as “pit bulls,” even as Chicago Animal Control identified the dogs as “mixed breeds.” NCRC was unable to obtain documentation from the owner or authorities that substantiate the breed reported by the media. NCRC did obtain photographs of all four dogs. NCRC submitted the photographs to NCRC’s expert advisor who concurred with Chicago Animal Control that the breed(s) of the dogs could not be reasonably determined from the photographs.

Anastasia had the day off from school due to a snow storm. She had gone to a neighbor’s home across the street from the trailer where she lived with her grandparents. On her way home she was killed by a dog(s).
Over the next few months, the media reported that one “pit bull” after another was responsible for the attack on Anastasia. However, DNA evidence ultimately determined that none of the confiscated dogs, or the dogs identified by the media, had been involved.
Investigators report that some members of Anastasia’s family were uncooperative. They now suspect that a relative of the dead girl destroyed and then disposed of the dog responsible. The dog responsible has not, as of this writing, been identified.

Breed attribution: None
Details: Authorities never located or identified dog(s) responsible for causing fatality. Case remains open.

The infant was unattended in a car seat on a bed. The family dog either jumped over or pushed past an inadequately secured gate at the bedroom doorway. The dog, Dealer, had a history of killing the family’s pets. At the owner/parents’ present home, Dealer had killed both the family’s guinea pig and the family cat. At their previous home, the dog had killed the family’s pet rabbits.

Breed attribution: Siberian Husky
Details: Dog had been adopted from a Siberian Husky rescue organization and NCRC obtained other evidence of the dog’s breed.

The mother heard the baby crying and found the family pet on top of her daughter's bassinet. The infant had suffered a bite to the head. She was taken to Rockdale Medical Center and later transferred to Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta, where she underwent surgery. She died 5 days later.

Breed attribution: Indeterminate
Details: The dog was reported to be a “pit bull.” NCRC was unable to obtain documentation from the owner or authorities that substantiate the breed. NCRC did obtain photographs of the dog. NCRC submitted the photographs to NCRC’s expert advisor who concluded the breed of the dog could not be reasonably determined from the photographs.

Christine Staab arrived at her mother’s home at approximately 6:00 a.m. Her mother stated that Christine had been fighting a long battle with drugs, shaking her addiction from time to time, only to succumb again. That morning, Christine appeared to her mother “to be high,” and an argument ensued. Although the argument was not a physical altercation, at some point Christine tripped and attempted to clutch at her mother’s arm as she fell. When she did so, one of her mother’s five dogs attacked her.

Breed attribution: Indeterminate
Details: The dog was reported to be a “pit bull.” NCRC was unable to obtain documentation from the owner or authorities that substantiate the breed. NCRC did obtain photographs of the dog. NCRC submitted the photographs to NCRC’s expert advisor who concluded the breed of the dog could not be reasonably determined from the photographs.

Lori Haaker bred and showed American Bulldogs. She was cleaning the backyard pen where four of her dogs resided. Each dog was chained to a separate tree inside the pen. Her daughter Violet was playing in the front yard, about 100 feet from the dogs’ pen. Lori went inside to use and bathroom. When she returned to the yard, she saw that Violet had made her way across the yard and entered the pen where the dogs were restrained.

Breed attribution: American Bulldog
Details: NKC Registered Dog

After eating lunch, Ashlynn went out to play in the yard behind the home of her mother and stepfather. Two of the resident dogs kept in the fenced backyard had managed to escape. Only one dog, Cornelia, is believed to have attacked Ashlynn.
Cornelia had been by used by her previous owner for show and breeding. Ashlynn’s mother and her stepfather, Jesse Browning, had adopted the dog 6-7 months earlier. It is not clear why they obtained Cornelia, as they kept her in the yard, and she was not well cared for.

Breed attribution: Rottweiler
Details: Pedigree (breeder/show) dog

Out of all the incident reports I read, I found ONE (1) that was a confirmed pitbull attack. What does it matter though, you will hate pit bulls no matter what. Who needs facts anyway? You hear "pitbull attack" on the news, and that's that. No need for education, or follow-up (which apparently finds that most of those "pitbull" attacks, weren't actually from pitbulls).

Do you believe everything you hear in the news?
 
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Chris0nllyn

Well-Known Member
How about this, how about our government worry more about the 20,044 prescription drug deaths (#'s from 2008 CDC) each year.

Seems like that's more of an epidemic than the 33 dog bites, 1 of which was a pit bull. Meanwhile, these dogs are being killed by the truck full because of shotty, backyard breeding, and overpopulation, and all Md can do is punish ALL owners of one specific breed because they share the same, media sensationalized, hype about these dogs.
 

Baja28

Obama destroyed America
Whatever happened to these dogs being arguably the most popular family dog at the beginning of the 20th century?

Not to mention the pitbull being used in WWI proganda. Stubby, a pit bull, is the most decorated war dog in US history. Pitbulls haved saved countless lives (which you won't see on the news) They are working dog, military dogs, police dogs, search and resuce dogs, and fantastic family dogs...WHEN RAISED CORRECTLY (Just like any other dog).

A dog's breed has nothing, zero, zilch, to do with how they act.
You are one of the most uninformed posters here. Carry on with your bad self.
 
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VenusDoom

Rock Star
How about this, how about our government worry more about the 20,044 prescription drug deaths (#'s from 2008 CDC) each year.

Seems like that's more of an epidemic than the 33 dog bites, 1 of which was a pit bull. Meanwhile, these dogs are being killed by the truck full because of shotty, backyard breeding, and overpopulation, and all Md can do is punish ALL owners of one specific breed because they share the same, media sensationalized, hype about these dogs.
*sigh* I feel like I'm beating my head against a brick wall here...

The LEGISLATURE and therefore what most people consider the STATE OF MARYLAND had no part in this new law. The LEGISLATURE doesn't make ALL THE LAWS in MARYLAND because MARYLAND is a COMMON LAW STATE. That means if the LEGISLATURE hasn't made a LAW about something, the COURT CAN DO SO BY DECIDING A CASE. That's what happened here.

You can biatch about it all you want, whine, cry, carry on, discuss, etc... and NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE ON IT UNLESS THE LEGISLATURE DECIDES THAT MAYBE IT WANTS TO DRAFT A LAW TO DO SO. Even if they decide to do that, it's going to take MONTHS or YEARS because there are other issues the LEGISLATURE probably deems higher priority.
 

Baja28

Obama destroyed America
*sigh* I feel like I'm beating my head against a brick wall here...

The LEGISLATURE and therefore what most people consider the STATE OF MARYLAND had no part in this new law. The LEGISLATURE doesn't make ALL THE LAWS in MARYLAND because MARYLAND is a COMMON LAW STATE. That means if the LEGISLATURE hasn't made a LAW about something, the COURT CAN DO SO BY DECIDING A CASE. That's what happened here.

You can biatch about it all you want, whine, cry, carry on, discuss, etc... and NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE ON IT UNLESS THE LEGISLATURE DECIDES THAT MAYBE IT WANTS TO DRAFT A LAW TO DO SO. Even if they decide to do that, it's going to take MONTHS or YEARS because there are other issues the LEGISLATURE probably deems higher priority.
You're wasting your time. He's one of the pitbull nutties that refuses to face facts that this bully breed of dogs kill. Save your breath.
 

Railroad

Routinely Derailed
IMHO, animals that are abused and raised to be dangerous, will indeed be dangerous, regardless of breed. I think the issue is with the owners, some of whom think it's okay for a large young dog to be cooped up in an apartment all day, some of whom don't comply with the Maryland Leash Law, and some of whom appear to be turning the animal into a weapon for sport and protection (in that order). And it's not the business of Government to tell me what breed of dog I can have! Criminal negligence, reckless endangerment, cruelty to animals, but don't tell me that I can't have one or another breed of dog.
 

Chris0nllyn

Well-Known Member
You are one of the most uninformed posters here. Carry on with your bad self.

Wow, information, and facts just spew from you.

Thanks for the intelligent, well thought out addition to the thread.

Keep it up! :buddies:

*sigh* I feel like I'm beating my head against a brick wall here...

The LEGISLATURE and therefore what most people consider the STATE OF MARYLAND had no part in this new law. The LEGISLATURE doesn't make ALL THE LAWS in MARYLAND because MARYLAND is a COMMON LAW STATE. That means if the LEGISLATURE hasn't made a LAW about something, the COURT CAN DO SO BY DECIDING A CASE. That's what happened here.

You can biatch about it all you want, whine, cry, carry on, discuss, etc... and NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE ON IT UNLESS THE LEGISLATURE DECIDES THAT MAYBE IT WANTS TO DRAFT A LAW TO DO SO. Even if they decide to do that, it's going to take MONTHS or YEARS because there are other issues the LEGISLATURE probably deems higher priority.

We had this discussion a few pages ago.

If pitbull owners want this COMMON LAW changed, guess what. We have to biatch about it. We will not sit back while judges make decisions that affect ALL of us based on misinformation and emotions.

If you felt the state you lived in made you a criminal based on the look of your dog, I'd hope you'd want to fight it tookth and nail, and not just sit back and take it just because a judge said so.
 

Baja28

Obama destroyed America
Wow, information, and facts just spew from you.

Thanks for the intelligent, well thought out addition to the thread.

Keep it up! :buddies:
Compared to your posts, mine are extremely informative and fact based unlike your jibberish opinions posted with no links.


If the pit breed is so tame, why are they continuously in the news as mauling or killing people/animals? I can bury you with facts as I have done others here. You keep on posting opinions from biased K9 websites and I'll stick to facts and the CDC studies that prove the terrier bully breeds are proven killers. Hell even one of your own posts backed it up.

Lets hope we don't see a news story about you or your kids getting mauled.
 
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Baja28

Obama destroyed America

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Chris0nllyn

Well-Known Member
Compared to your posts, mine are extremely informative and fact based unlike your jibberish opinions posted with no links.


If the pit breed is so tame, why are they continuously in the news as mauling or killing people/animals? I can bury you with facts as I have done others here. You keep on posting opinions from biased K9 websites and I'll stick to facts and the CDC studies that prove the terrier bully breeds are known killers. Hell even one of your own posts backed it up.

Lets hope we don't see a news story about you or your kids getting mauled.

Are you blind?

they are on the news because it's a hot story. Media sensationalizes pit bull storries because people like you eat it up. Please read through the study I posted and you'll find countless stories of how the media said a pit bull killed someone, and it turned out not to be a pit bull. Did the media every go back and change THEIR story?

I just provided an entire page worth of facts from a Canine Research Counsil that has been studying dog bites for 20 years. Everything I posted was from their final yearly report.

"Stubby" was a pitbull, and got a purple heart. I just posted another story where a pit bull rescued it's owner from an oncoming train. Did you see THAT on the news?

The Staffordshire Bull Terrier scored a 90.3% passing rate with the American Temperment Test Society. Bull Terrier had a 90.1% passing rate.

The Chesapeake Bay Retriever had a passing rate of 87%...

40 people a year die in a 5-gallon bucket.....should we ban 5 gallon buckets for being dangerous?

50 children die a year from their cribs....should we ban those?

150 people are killed a year from falling coconuts....should we ban those?

300 people a year die in bath tubs.....we better ban those!

33 dog bite fatalities out of almost 80 million dogs, and 1, ONE of them was a confirmed pitbull terrier. Just because a news outlet calls it a pitbull, doesn't make it one. So, 1 pitbull related dog bite death out of almost 80 million dogs....how exactly does that seem inherently dangerous?
 

Shaolin_Raptor

New Member
Awwwww...how cute.....and misleading. Here are some facts for ya. Tip of the iceberg.

There is always going to be negative. You can post anything, there will be a negative side. You had just stated there were no links, we posted links. No one is tryig to say bad things don't happen, but you are trying to say no good things do either.
 

Chris0nllyn

Well-Known Member
For every rare, feel good pit bull story posted, I can post probably 4 mauling stories. :love:

Can you also post the fact checking of those stories that show the actual breed of the dog?

Because the links, and studys I posted have tested those dogs involved in dog-related deaths, and almost all of the stories reported as "pit bull attack", were never pit bulls.

So please, provide this information to the Canine Research Counsil, because they are obviously wrong! :cds:
 

Railroad

Routinely Derailed
For every rare, feel good pit bull story posted, I can post probably 4 mauling stories. :love:

Some dogs are just born dysfunctional. For a while there, dalmations were known for their irritable personalities and tendency to bite. It seems to me like inbreeding has a lot to do with that, and although there is a variety of solutions, managing the breed would have to include killing the individuals with murderous tendencies. That is an extreme solution, even if done humanely, and society probably would be as intolerant of that as they are of the mean doggies attacking someone. Chihuahuas have a problem with some being irritable and tending to bite, also.

But IMHO our courts and our Government shouldn't be telling us what breed we can have. They should at the very most, and definitely at the state or local level, be encouraging us to be responsible and self-sufficient adults with the ability to understand a bad thing and act on it.

I have two Jack Russels. One is mixed with Chihuahua, and the other is purebred. The purebred one is half nuts and is sometimes darn near dangerous. The mix is a mellow and very intelligent dog. The purebred has a problem accepting affection (at first), but the mix is very affectionate. Not representative of all dogs, I know, but these fellows seem to substantiate what I'm trying to say.
 

VenusDoom

Rock Star
Wow, information, and facts just spew from you.

Thanks for the intelligent, well thought out addition to the thread.

Keep it up! :buddies:



We had this discussion a few pages ago.

If pitbull owners want this COMMON LAW changed, guess what. We have to biatch about it. We will not sit back while judges make decisions that affect ALL of us based on misinformation and emotions.

If you felt the state you lived in made you a criminal based on the look of your dog, I'd hope you'd want to fight it tookth and nail, and not just sit back and take it just because a judge said so.
Judges make decisions every day that affect all of us... it's the nature of living in a common law state.
 
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