MD235 pedestrian safety planning meeting

[OccamsRazor]

If your dependent is disabled, and not the registered vehicle owner, can you get the registration plate?

No. Only the disabled registered owner can get disabled tags

I'm a little confused even after reading the law as it seems that if the registered owner isn't disabled then the placards are the only legal option unless the vehicle is exclusively used to transport the disabled.

I'm confused as well. If the registered owner ISN'T disabled, how would they be eligible for a "legal" placard.. let alone a handicap tag?

 

[Ken King]

No. Only the disabled registered owner can get disabled tags

I'm confused as well. If the registered owner ISN'T disabled, how would they be eligible for a "legal" placard.. let alone a handicap tag?

Placards are issued to the disabled individual, not the vehicle owner.

 

[OccamsRazor]

Placards are issued to the disabled individual, not the vehicle owner.

Yes. And we are back where we started where I agree however, that is the MINORITY. I see FAR more people pulling into disabled parking spaces ALONE and throwing up Permanent Handicap hang tags before they bee-bop into the store than I do persons assisting others into said store(s). Couple that with those that are borrowing grandma's car with the hangtag and abusing it and you have a situation where a TRUE handicapped person is walking 500 yards to get somewhere.
Next time you are in the Walmart or Target shopping center, take notice of how many people are parked handicapped with ONLY the blue hangtag. I would bet a paycheck that at least 80% of the spaces are occupied by these people. And that 80% of those are driving their own vehicles (usually alone)

 

[Ken King]

Yes. And we are back where we started where I agree however, that is the MINORITY. I see FAR more people pulling into disabled parking spaces ALONE and throwing up Permanent Handicap hang tags before they bee-bop into the store than I do persons assisting others into said store(s). Couple that with those that are borrowing grandma's car with the hangtag and abusing it and you have a situation where a TRUE handicapped person is walking 500 yards to get somewhere.
Next time you are in the Walmart or Target shopping center, take notice of how many people are parked handicapped with ONLY the blue hangtag. I would bet a paycheck that at least 80% of the spaces are occupied by these people. And that 80% of those are driving their own vehicles (usually alone)

Have you reported this fraud or are you just bitching about it? Do you know what disability/infirmity those you have observed suffer from? By chance what percentage of total users do you observe doing this? Do you sit in parking lots all day doing this type of research?

My wife is disabled and if I am driving I offload her at the door and go park in a regular space (even though I could consume a handicap space). I then go in and meet up with her. When leaving I go back to the vehicle first, load up anything (if necessary) and then go pick her up.

 

[OccamsRazor]

Have you reported this fraud or are you just bitching about it? Do you know what disability/infirmity those you have observed suffer from? By chance what percentage of total users do you observe doing this? Do you sit in parking lots all day doing this type of research?

My wife is disabled and if I am driving I offload her at the door and go park in a regular space (even though I could consume a handicap space). I then go in and meet up with her. When leaving I go back to the vehicle first, load up anything (if necessary) and then go pick her up.

Haven't reported it. Just stating how I think it should be. Just like I stated in my OP about the subject. As for the disability they suffer from... must be enough to merit a "Permanent Disabled Hangtag" so I'm guessing that is pretty bad.. huh? As for research, it happens EVERY.. SINGLE.. TIME I am out to a store. Especially Wallyworld. Ever try to take your wife there and park disabled?

Ahh. testy are we?
Still haven't given any reasons (other than the slim minority) of why people with blue hangtags can't just register their owned vehicles as handicapped.
And good for you. You treat your wife with respect and dignity. Kudos!

 

[Ken King]

Ahh. testy are we?

Yeah, as all I see from you is bitching.

Still haven't given any reasons (other than the slim minority) of why people with blue hangtags can't just register their owned vehicles as handicapped.
And good for you. You treat your wife with respect and dignity. Kudos!

The reasons could be as simple as not wanting the tag with the disabled symbol on it or that there is a disabled person that also operates the vehicle and the registered owner isn't the one that is disabled.

 

[OccamsRazor]

Yeah, as all I see from you is bitching.

Hey there testy guy! I merely stated a few times that I would like to see this happen. It was YOU that initiated the 'flame-on.'

The reasons could be as simple as not wanting the tag with the disabled symbol on it

This was my original point. If your name is on the registration (which I am arguing is the majority of cases) then you should have to get the tags. Only hang tags would be Red/Temporary one OR blue for those who do not own a registered vehicle.

... or that there is a disabled person that also operates the vehicle and the registered owner isn't the one that is disabled.

And back to the MINORITY of cases. If you believe this is the majority then there are many, many, many handicapped people borrowing other's vehicles OR don't own one in the first place.

 

[Ken King]

Haven't reported it. Just stating how I think it should be. Just like I stated in my OP about the subject. As for the disability they suffer from... must be enough to merit a "Permanent Disabled Hangtag" so I'm guessing that is pretty bad.. huh? As for research, it happens EVERY.. SINGLE.. TIME I am out to a store. Especially Wallyworld. Ever try to take your wife there and park disabled?

So, you went back and added the above. Do you know one of the approved reasons is that the person cannot walk 200 feet without stopping to rest? That covers a lot of the "beasts" that are out there.

 

[LightRoasted]

For your consideration ...

Placards are issued to the disabled individual, not the vehicle owner.

Yup. Not only that, but they also receive a letter issued by the MVA that goes along with the placard which must be carried along with the placard that says they are the disabled individual authorized to use the placard. If anyone gets asked by police for that letter while parked and they don't have that letter, while using a placard, they get a that $500 ticket. A disabled person can be a passenger and use the placard in anyone's vehicle, but they better have that letter as well.

Same goes for handicapped plates. A letter is issued that must stay with the vehicle. So if someone else, other than the disabled person that the plates are registered, to drives the car, they can't park in a handicapped spot.

 

[limblips]

Yes. And we are back where we started where I agree however, that is the MINORITY. I see FAR more people pulling into disabled parking spaces ALONE and throwing up Permanent Handicap hang tags before they bee-bop into the store than I do persons assisting others into said store(s). Couple that with those that are borrowing grandma's car with the hangtag and abusing it and you have a situation where a TRUE handicapped person is walking 500 yards to get somewhere.
Next time you are in the Walmart or Target shopping center, take notice of how many people are parked handicapped with ONLY the blue hangtag. I would bet a paycheck that at least 80% of the spaces are occupied by these people. And that 80% of those are driving their own vehicles (usually alone)

I may be one you see throwing up my permanent placard and "bee-bopping" in to the store. Maybe not though because like many handicap people I know we don't use it very often because we want the spaces to be available to those worse off than ourselves. I am an amputee but still ambulant so I only use it when I am having issues with my legs.

Title 46.2. Motor Vehicles

law.lis.virginia.gov

MD has a similar program I believe. If you are so bothered by abuse of the system then volunteer.....

 

[Gilligan]

Have you reported this fraud or are you just bitching about it? Do you know what disability/infirmity those you have observed suffer from? By chance what percentage of total users do you observe doing this? Do you sit in parking lots all day doing this type of research?

My wife is disabled and if I am driving I offload her at the door and go park in a regular space (even though I could consume a handicap space). I then go in and meet up with her. When leaving I go back to the vehicle first, load up anything (if necessary) and then go pick her up.

Occams Razor mind blown.

 

[NorthBeachPerso]

All the safety meetings in the world won't do dick if people insist on walking in the middle of the road in the middle of the night dressed in all black.

Was over in Waldorf yesterday during the day. I understand how people get whacked over there all the time. I had no less than four different people walk out in front of me wherever they happened to be, two of them looking at their phones.

 

[3CATSAILOR]

Was over in Waldorf yesterday during the day. I understand how people get whacked over there all the time. I had no less than four different people walk out in front of me wherever they happened to be, two of them looking at their phones.

I get run over too. But not by people driving. It is by women on their cell phone pushing their cart at Walmart. I learned to be alert and stay clear of the ladies.

 

[3CATSAILOR]

On a similar note - any idea how much money was spent redoing the sidewalks along 235 for accessibility? It appears to me, at every entrance/driveway along 235 in California, the sidewalk was torn up and redone so as not to have as big a slope or incline, which I assume is for wheelchairs? How many times have you seen a wheelchair on the sidewalk on 235? Will we see more now because a "problem" was fixed? Wouldn't it have been cheeper to just give those who need one a motorized wheelchair to navigate these steeper sidewalks? I know it's not the politically correct thing to say, but in my opinion this country spends way too much money for handicapped accessibility.

And then the State wonders why they have to raise taxes again.

 

[NorthBeachPerso]

And then the State wonders why they have to raise taxes again.

You responded to a question about ADA requirements for sidewalks which I don't feel like looking for the original.

The short answer is that grant funding for sidewalks (a lot comes from the feds down through the State) requires ADA compliance and has since around 1990.
For road funds bike lanes have to be incorporated where feasible. "Feasible" is where the friction is with those. One hangup with the Nice replacement was that there were two or three groups that were demanding bike lanes on it.