Modern Day Spiritual Gifts

[Marie]

I am courious as to what the majority in here believes and why.
Do these spirtual gifts exsist in modern times?
Casting out of Demons?
Healing by laying on hands?
Are there modern day Apostels?
The Gift of tounges than can be interrupted?
I personally believe no on all, based on scripture, but I am courious as to what you believe and why.

I goofed up the poll I wanted a yes or no poll and cant edit it.

 

[JPC sr]

Deadbeat child support resister.

I am courious as to what the majority in here believes and why.
Do these spirtual gifts exsist in modern times?
Casting out of Demons?
Healing by laying on hands?
Are there modern day Apostels?
The Gift of tounges than can be interrupted?
I personally believe no on all, based on scripture, but I am courious as to what you believe and why.

I goofed up the poll I wanted a yes or no poll and cant edit it.

Well I say "YES" for all of those questions.

And the poll only lets me pick one so I am not sure if one is more-so than the others.

 

[ShyGirl]

Healing by laying on hands?

Healing by laying on hands?

 

[Xaquin44]

I'll say no to all of those things.


May as well add in the tooth fairy and bigfoot.

 

[vegmom]

Aparantly the gift of spelling has been lost in modern times.

I used to attend an AOG church and people regularly "spoke in tongues" during services. Miracle or spiritual fervor? :shrug:

 

[Marie]

Well I say "YES" for all of those questions.

And the poll only lets me pick one so I am not sure if one is more-so than the others.

Can you show me in scripture?

 

[Marie]

Aparantly the gift of spelling has been lost in modern times.

I used to attend an AOG church and people regularly "spoke in tongues" during services. Miracle or spiritual fervor? :shrug:

Did anyone interpret at the same time? Where they Known languages that were being spoken?

 

[godsbutterfly]

Well I say "YES" for all of those questions.

And the poll only lets me pick one so I am not sure if one is more-so than the others.

Oh dear Lord! I agree with you!

 

[sux2b44]

I would say yes to all of them. I believe there are people who can lead you to your higher power. I also believe in "the other side." If there is good there has to be evil also. I am very intrigued by the Wiccan religion. They have a belief in Christian philosophy and also the natural surroundings of Mother Earth and beyond.

 

[JPC sr]

Deadbeat child support resister.

Do these spirtual gifts exsist in modern times?
Casting out of Demons?
Healing by laying on hands?
Are there modern day Apostels?
The Gift of tounges than can be interrupted?

Well I say "YES" for all of those questions.

Can you show me in scripture?

That is getting to me again.

Those are commonly known text and we all know where the Bible is if you want to look each up.

We also know the particular Church(s) that still claim to do those same things.

Of course the Bible will not specifically say the year 2008 will have those happenings. The point is that since they did such things at that Bible time then they must be do-able now today.

 

[JPC sr]

Deadbeat child support resister.

Oh dear Lord! I agree with you!

That was funny.

 

[jetmonkey]

Aparantly the gift of spelling has been lost in modern times.

I used to attend an AOG church and people regularly "spoke in tongues" during services. Miracle or spiritual fervor? :shrug:

Yeah, they are possessed by demons.

 

[Marie]

Well I say "YES" for all of those questions.
That is getting to me again.

Those are commonly known text and we all know where the Bible is if you want to look each up.

We also know the particular Church(s) that still claim to do those same things.

Of course the Bible will not specifically say the year 2008 will have those happenings. The point is that since they did such things at that Bible time then they must be do-able now today.

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We have those that heed a call to ministry, put Christ does not appoint by name or directly choose people like he did Paul or the twelve.<o></o>
Why was Paul that last we read of in scripture?<o></o>
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I find no record of these gifts continuing in the early church in scripture. So if they stopped why would we have them now?

Scripture says we are to test the spirits, for those that do believe in this how do you test that this is coming from the Holly Spirit and not some other spirit?
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1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.<o></o>
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1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
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In fact, I think we even have the sons of Sceva as an example not to try to mess with demons!<o></o>
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Rather than the regular nonsense or just putting up a verse that has no context give me something solid, please do use scripture but then explain how it applies.
I am putting this out for serious consideration not mindless debate.

 

[jetmonkey]

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[JPC sr]

Deadbeat child support resister.

We have disciples today I cant actually say I ever heard on anyone fitting this description.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
<o></o>
apostolos<o></o>
ap-os'-tol-os<o></o>
From G649; a delegate; specifically an ambassador of the Gospel; officially acommissioner of Christ ("apostle"), (with miraculous powers): - apostle, messenger, he that is sent.<o></o>
<o></o>
We have those that heed a call to ministry, put Christ does not appoint by name or directly choose people like he did Paul or the twelve.<o></o>
Why was Paul that last we read of in scripture?<o></o>
Stephen was named as one, and there are others that traveled with that were never named as such?<o></o>
<o></o>
I find no record of these gifts continuing in the early church in scripture. So if they stopped why would we have them now?

Scripture says we are to test the spirits, for those that do believe in this how do you test that this is coming from the Holly Spirit and not some other spirit?
<o></o>
1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.<o></o>
1Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. <o></o>
1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
<o></o>
In fact, I think we even have the sons of Sceva as an example not to try to mess with demons!<o></o>
<o></o>
Rather than the regular nonsense or just putting up a verse that has no context give me something solid, please do use scripture but then explain how it applies.
I am putting this out for serious consideration not mindless debate.

The Bible text is Mark 13:19-27 link HERE,

so since there is to be an "elect" in the latter days then the elect must be considered as chosen apostles and disciples and having all the powers and position of the original 12.

 

[Marie]

The Bible text is Mark 13:19-27 link HERE,

so since there is to be an "elect" in the latter days then the elect must be considered as chosen apostles and disciples and having all the powers and position of the original 12.

You gave me nothing! It mentioned nothing about election or predestination which is not what where talking about anyway! The tern Elect refers to those chosen for salvation before the creation of the world.

 

[godsbutterfly]

I am courious as to what the majority in here believes and why.
Do these spirtual gifts exsist in modern times?
Casting out of Demons?
Healing by laying on hands?
Are there modern day Apostels?
The Gift of tounges than can be interrupted?
I personally believe no on all, based on scripture, but I am courious as to what you believe and why.

I goofed up the poll I wanted a yes or no poll and cant edit it.

Marie,
I answered a little quickly without explanation because I was at work (still am but with a little more time on my hands now). I don't believe we still have modern day Apostles, but we do have modern day Disciples which I know you know are any of us who are willing to follow after Christ and try to live by His Word and His example.
I haven't seen anybody Cast out Demons - can it still be done? Do I still believe some people are demon possessed? Truthfully? I have seen people who are so evil acting that they seem to have no soul behind their eyes. They can look right thru you after committing a heinious act as though it has had no affect on them at all. I know somebody like that. they were not always that way. Many many years later they finally became a human being again after much prayer. I can't answer this question, but when just being around somebody makes you want to shake you have to wonder because it never did that before.
Healing by laying on hands - Yes I believe in this. It does not always work and I am not talking about the big stage shows where everyone drops their crutches and jumps out of their wheelchairs. I have never taken part in anything like that. I know in my Church back home a teenager was bitten by a poisonous snake while out with the Youth Group. Her leg was turning colors and she was losing consciousness and they were in the middle of nowhere. They prayed for her with the Pastor and they all laid hands on her. Her leg returned to normal and she walked back down the trail. The mark from where she had been bitten was still there and they had the dead snake but she was fine.
The Gift of Tongues That can be Interpreted - I believe in this as well. Of course you have the person who is screaming, holleringand acting like they are insane and I have gotten really good at spotting sincerity. I have seen people try to "teach" someone to speak in tongues. This a gift of the Holy Spirit and it cannot be taught. I have even seen "staged" speaking and interpretation and I know why He is God and I am not because I would blast people right out of the pews and from behind the pulpit for stuff like that.

I have only the gift of Prayer Tongues. I cannot speak it on purpose and I do not speak it loudly. I don't even know I am doing it. I hear myself in English. Others hear me in another language if they are near me.

Jesus promised he would send us a Comforter - The Holy Spirit and these are all Gifts from the Holy Spirit. Jesus said in His Name we would be able to do all of these things. I believe Him.

 

[Marie]

Marie,
I don't believe we still have modern day Apostles, but we do have modern day Disciples which I know you know are any of us who are willing to follow after Christ and try to live by His Word and His example.
I haven't seen anybody Cast out Demons - can it still be done? Do I still believe some people are demon possessed? Truthfully? I have seen people who are so evil acting that they seem to have no soul behind their eyes. They can look right thru you after committing a heinious act as though it has had no affect on them at all. I know somebody like that. they were not always that way. Many many years later they finally became a human being again after much prayer. I can't answer this question, but when just being around somebody makes you want to shake you have to wonder because it never did that before.
Healing by laying on hands - Yes I believe in this. It does not always work and I am not talking about the big stage shows where everyone drops their crutches and jumps out of their wheelchairs. I have never taken part in anything like that. I know in my Church back home a teenager was bitten by a poisonous snake while out with the Youth Group. Her leg was turning colors and she was losing consciousness and they were in the middle of nowhere. They prayed for her with the Pastor and they all laid hands on her. Her leg returned to normal and she walked back down the trail. The mark from where she had been bitten was still there and they had the dead snake but she was fine.
The Gift of Tongues That can be Interpreted - I believe in this as well. Of course you have the person who is screaming, holleringand acting like they are insane and I have gotten really good at spotting sincerity. I have seen people try to "teach" someone to speak in tongues. This a gift of the Holy Spirit and it cannot be taught. I have even seen "staged" speaking and interpretation and I know why He is God and I am not because I would blast people right out of the pews and from behind the pulpit for stuff like that.

I have only the gift of Prayer Tongues. I cannot speak it on purpose and I do not speak it loudly. I don't even know I am doing it. I hear myself in English. Others hear me in another language if they are near me.

Jesus promised he would send us a Comforter - The Holy Spirit and these are all Gifts from the Holy Spirit. Jesus said in His Name we would be able to do all of these things. I believe Him.

I agree we are to be disciples
I believe deamons exsist largely but that man is not to mess with them
I believe your story of healing but see it as Gods work and the hands had nothing to do with it but it was the faith and the power of prayer. I think I was thinking more of slaying in the spirit. An interesting thing about this if you ever seen Benny Hinn do it the folks fall the opssite direction than they do in scripture.
The tonuges I cant address and have nothing more than the scripture already provided and the guidance surrounding them in scripture so thats why I am asking about folks beliefs and expirences.

The thing with the Holly Spirit is when we get saved he comes to abide in us, some of these gifts though are claimed to be a result of a baptism or a special anionting of the spirit similar to a Pentacost expirence with out the fire. Its an interesting topic!

 

[JPC sr]

Deadbeat child support resister.

You gave me nothing! It mentioned nothing about election or predestination which is not what where talking about anyway! The tern Elect refers to those chosen for salvation before the creation of the world.

The link that I gave and its interpretation see it HERE does directly address the questions of your first post:

"Do these spirtual gifts exsist in modern times?
Casting out of Demons?
Healing by laying on hands?
Are there modern day Apostels?
The Gift of tounges than can be interrupted?"

Therefore the endtime "elect" would have all the above stated abilities, and everybody claims to be "elect".

This is what the thread is about and it is what is being claimed to be "talking about" here. :shrug:

 

[godsbutterfly]

I agree we are to be disciples
I believe deamons exsist largely but that man is not to mess with them
I believe your story of healing but see it as Gods work and the hands had nothing to do with it but it was the faith and the power of prayer. I think I was thinking more of slaying in the spirit. An interesting thing about this if you ever seen Benny Hinn do it the folks fall the opssite direction than they do in scripture.
The tonuges I cant address and have nothing more than the scripture already provided and the guidance surrounding them in scripture so thats why I am asking about folks beliefs and expirences.

The thing with the Holly Spirit is when we get saved he comes to abide in us, some of these gifts though are claimed to be a result of a baptism or a special anionting of the spirit similar to a Pentacost expirence with out the fire. Its an interesting topic!

Oh definitely the healing came thru the prayer and God! Anybody who says it's because they touched somebody I'd get far away from! I've prayed for somebody and they have been healed but it sure wasn't me! I have been so caught up in prayer and in the Holy Spirit that I have gone to my knees or been totally unaware of my surroundings. It's an awesome thing to feel so close to God. People who get slapped in the forehead and fall on the ground "in a slain in the spirit trance" one right after the other, well - I hate to say this -but, they are probably caught up in the frenzy of the moment. I hate to be judgemental like that. I have been to those types of "revivals". I don't like those. There are so many "Evangelists" going areound making a lot of money like that and the truth is that The Holy Spirit does not need anybody to promote Him in that manner. People do need to hear about Jesus Christ and salvation and about the Holy Spirit but telling somebody they aren't saved unless they can speak in tongues is just plain wrong and I have heard many Christians, even Preachers, do that.