MSF class

desertrat

desertrat

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Vince said:
If I can pass the advanced, anyone can. Only thing that pissed me off was the tight turns. Mine is lowered and everytime they made me turn too tight, my pipes scraped the ground on the bottom, aft tip.
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Thats the thing that gets me. I did it a few years ago after riding my bike only a couple months after a haitus of about 10 years. Plus it was a cruiser when I was used to riding standard type bikes. Now, for some reason, I am not getting the hang of it on the new one and can barely manage on the old one. It's heavier for sure and I am older, but I'll probably manage. If not, oh well, not a big deal. I just go home early in shame. I'll post on here that I passed with flying colors and the praise of the instuctors and my riding held up as an example to others of course.:lol:
 
onebdzee

onebdzee

off the shelf
desertrat said:
Thats the thing that gets me. I did it a few years ago after riding my bike only a couple months after a haitus of about 10 years. Plus it was a cruiser when I was used to riding standard type bikes. Now, for some reason, I am not getting the hang of it on the new one and can barely manage on the old one. It's heavier for sure and I am older, but I'll probably manage. If not, oh well, not a big deal. I just go home early in shame. I'll post on here that I passed with flying colors and the praise of the instuctors and my riding held up as an example to others of course.:lol:
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You can always come over and get mine....it's a lot less weight than yours and I don't think it sits as low
 
mrvogon

mrvogon

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Counterweight

Counterweight the bike and keep your eyes looking for the next turn.

Box on the ERC (I think they changed curriculum since I taught it a few years ago) is 24x60 for bikes > 600cc, 20x60 for bikes <=600cc.

Can be done on damned near any bike. I did it without thought on the Rebels and Nighthawks, and have done the 20x60 (or whatever the small box size is) on a K1200LT, a GL1100I, R1100R, Ninja 600, F650, etc. I knew and observed many coaches on various large Harleys pull it off (Ultras, Heritage Springer, Road Kings). Seen it done on late 70's UJMs and 6 cyl Wings. I doubt a Boss Hoss could pull it off.

Counterweight. Last time I taught, most coaches were not properly instructing this technique. When you enter the box, the first turn is to the left. When doing this, all of your weight has to be as far to the right as possible. There are many ways to do it, and the amount that you do it depends on the tightness of the turn. Getting it done on my K1200LT (in the 20' box) requires me to put all of my weight on my right foot. I usually rise a bit off the seat to get as much weight out there as possible. Switch weighting for the second turn.

People bemoan this just as much today as they did years ago when I took the class and decades ago when my dad got his motorcycle license. Too bad. There IS value in it. It forces you to independently operate the controls, the bike, and your body.

Tons of videos on YouTube. This one was ok. YouTube - ‪97 Second Special: Counterbalancing‬&rlm;
 
desertrat

desertrat

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onebdzee said:
You can always come over and get mine....it's a lot less weight than yours and I don't think it sits as low
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I thought abought asking, but the figure 8 is the only problem I will have. Thanks.

mrvogon said:
Counterweight the bike and keep your eyes looking for the next turn.

Box on the ERC (I think they changed curriculum since I taught it a few years ago) is 24x60 for bikes > 600cc, 20x60 for bikes <=600cc.

Can be done on damned near any bike. I did it without thought on the Rebels and Nighthawks, and have done the 20x60 (or whatever the small box size is) on a K1200LT, a GL1100I, R1100R, Ninja 600, F650, etc. I knew and observed many coaches on various large Harleys pull it off (Ultras, Heritage Springer, Road Kings). Seen it done on late 70's UJMs and 6 cyl Wings. I doubt a Boss Hoss could pull it off.

Counterweight. Last time I taught, most coaches were not properly instructing this technique. When you enter the box, the first turn is to the left. When doing this, all of your weight has to be as far to the right as possible. There are many ways to do it, and the amount that you do it depends on the tightness of the turn. Getting it done on my K1200LT (in the 20' box) requires me to put all of my weight on my right foot. I usually rise a bit off the seat to get as much weight out there as possible. Switch weighting for the second turn.

People bemoan this just as much today as they did years ago when I took the class and decades ago when my dad got his motorcycle license. Too bad. There IS value in it. It forces you to independently operate the controls, the bike, and your body.

Tons of videos on YouTube. This one was ok. YouTube - ‪97 Second Special: Counterbalancing‬&rlm;
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Good advice. If it's even 22 I'll be cool. Last class I took there was almost no real instruction. A bit of critisism here and there, but other than look where you are heading and don't use two fingers on the brake, I don't remember a lot of real help.
Most didn't need it anyway actually.
 
itsbob

itsbob

I bowl overhand
desertrat said:
If you really have to do a u turn in 20 feet, I am not going to pass it. I did it about 6 years ago and wasn't all that familiar with the bike. Maybe I have lost my super powers?
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Different sized box depending on which course you take. BRC is the biggest box at 24 feet (i think) 20 for the ERC and 18 for the instructors course.
 
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itsbob

itsbob

I bowl overhand
Keep the RPM up, drag the rear brake and look where you want to go. You and your bike will instinctively get you through. Think to much about it and down you go.
 
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