MVA sucks rocks. Episode 1024

Gilligan

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Wife is from Olympia, WA...moved here in early 2008. Held a Class AM license issued by WA. They had different requirements for two versus three-wheeled vehicles back then, and her WA license excluded three-wheelers.

When she converted to MD license in 2008, MVA clerk looked at her WA license and added - on her own volition - the "No Three Wheeled Vehicles" as a restriction on her new MD license. We laffed at that...since the clerk created that restriction out of thin air and her imagination. Whatever...wife has been riding on two wheels with her MC license since she was 16 and has never once ridden a 3-wheeler.

Fast forward to last week. She needs to renew her license and shows up with DoT physical etc. They hand her her new license (the paper version..you get the plastic one in mail later) and it's still an "AM" license, but some moron of a clerk had "corrected" her restriction to now be "Three Wheel Only". Apparently MD does now differentiate between two- and three-wheeled vehicles and some brain-dead state employee had to make her license "fit" in the new system the state implemented, apparently around 2015 or so (they claim...wife never previously noticed the mystery change to the restriction on her license)

Minor issue to correct, right? oh fawk no...wife went absolutely ballistic when the "supervisor" head bitch said her only recourse now is to pay the $500 for a motorcycle training course, and then take the written and riding skills tests.

My wife was a freaking adventure rider for a decade, racking up easily 10K miles in the mountains of US and Canada on her BMW Funduro. She's in her 60s now and is NOT really keen on trying the skills test on her radically-cammed Harley Dyna. Not to mention all the costs and hassle...

I think she's about ready to burn the place in Loveville to the ground, so if you have business with MVA there, better get it done soon. :whistle:
 
Sneakers

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And to add to the confusion (not hers, specifically..) AutoCycles are 3-wheel but are in a different class than other 3-wheels because 2 wheels are in the front as opposed to a motorcycle trike that has 2 wheels in the back. A "3-wheel" or motorcycle endorsement is not needed or required for an autocycle, or at least it wasn't last time I re-registered and have gotten no information to the contrary from MVA.

Man, I hope she can get that straightened out.
 
Gilligan

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Sneakers said:
And to add to the confusion (not hers, specifically..) AutoCycles are 3-wheel but are in a different class than other 3-wheels because 2 wheels are in the front as opposed to a motorcycle trike that has 2 wheels in the back. A "3-wheel" or motorcycle endorsement is not needed or required for an autocycle, or at least it wasn't last time I re-registered and have gotten no information to the contrary from MVA.

Man, I hope she can get that straightened out.
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It's going to take intervention from a higher level or legal action (or both) because now that the Loveville "supervisor" has backed up the service clerk, it becomes an immovable object. All part of the "yeah we are wrong a LOT but we're never wrong, so go pound sand peasant!" ethos that has always pervaded MVA operations. Which I've always found odd since all my dealings with MD DNR over the years have proved to be the exact opposite of that.

Adding to the problem, is that MD MVA apparently did some wide-scale changes to their record keeping system(s) and claim they can't go back to 2008 to verify my wife's claim that the original restriction added by some creative MVA moron clerk simply mirrored what was on her WA license.
 
Kyle

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Gilligan said:
Wife is from Olympia, WA...moved here in early 2008. Held a Class AM license issued by WA. They had different requirements for two versus three-wheeled vehicles back then, and her WA license excluded three-wheelers.

When she converted to MD license in 2008, MVA clerk looked at her WA license and added - on her own volition - the "No Three Wheeled Vehicles" as a restriction on her new MD license. We laffed at that...since the clerk created that restriction out of thin air and her imagination. Whatever...wife has been riding on two wheels with her MC license since she was 16 and has never once ridden a 3-wheeler.

Fast forward to last week. She needs to renew her license and shows up with DoT physical etc. They hand her her new license (the paper version..you get the plastic one in mail later) and it's still an "AM" license, but some moron of a clerk had "corrected" her restriction to now be "Three Wheel Only". Apparently MD does now differentiate between two- and three-wheeled vehicles and some brain-dead state employee had to make her license "fit" in the new system the state implemented, apparently around 2015 or so (they claim...wife never previously noticed the mystery change to the restriction on her license)

Minor issue to correct, right? oh fawk no...wife went absolutely ballistic when the "supervisor" head bitch said her only recourse now is to pay the $500 for a motorcycle training course, and then take the written and riding skills tests.

My wife was a freaking adventure rider for a decade, racking up easily 10K miles in the mountains of US and Canada on her BMW Funduro. She's in her 60s now and is NOT really keen on trying the skills test on her radically-cammed Harley Dyna. Not to mention all the costs and hassle...

I think she's about ready to burn the place in Loveville to the ground, so if you have business with MVA there, better get it done soon. :whistle:
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I think there is a requirement to work at MVA, one must be a psychotic retard.
 
Gilligan

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Kyle said:
I think there is a requirement to work at MVA, one must be a psychotic retard.
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And you must have a lot of hate and contempt in your heart...sufficient to fully share some of both with whomever is sitting in the chair in front of you.
 
Sneakers

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Gilligan said:
and claim they can't go back to 2008 to verify my wife's claim
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I don't suppose she still has the old licenses hanging around with the info on them...

Being the near-hoarder I am, I have everything back to my first license when I was 16.
 
PrchJrkr

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This is a truly ****ed up situation, that unfortunately is what we get when certain physical characteristics come into play in filling MD's government positions. Mommy Dearest used to say, "at least they aren't on welfare".

All my recent transactions have, thankfully, been through an agent that has to present my paperwork to the MVA for their blessings.

It's no wonder that many riders don't even bother with getting a license to ride at all.
 
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phreddyp

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Wow that is the 1st negative thing I've heard about Loveville, that supervisor must have transferred from Waldorf.
 
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sunshine98

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I had a chicken & egg title problem with registering a used car at Loveville a couple years ago. Called the state MVA office (Glen Burnie?) to get the facts that the Loveville clerk couldn't seem to understand. Went back armed with facts and state MVA's POC and got the car registered.
 
Gilligan

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PrchJrkr said:
All my recent transactions have, thankfully, been through an agent that has to present my paperwork to the MVA for their blessings.
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I've been using Krouse's Tag and Title for over 30 years.. FAR better than dealing with MVA direcly. But Marilyn can't do driver's license stuff.
 
Gilligan

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phreddyp said:
Wow that is the 1st negative thing I've heard about Loveville, that supervisor must have transferred from Waldorf.
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I'd have to agree with ya there....I've had no issues with my own class "AM" license and the Loveville office. I was very disappointed to find out what my wife went through, thinking "oh great....Loveville is no better then Waldorf now". I think we all dreaded dealing with Waldorf back in the day.
 
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phreddyp

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Gilligan said:
I'd have to agree with ya there....I've had no issues with my own class "AM" license and the Loveville office. I was very disappointed to find out what my wife went through, thinking "oh great....Loveville is no better then Waldorf now". I think we all dreaded dealing with Waldorf back in the day.
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That's the understatement of the day!
 
Gilligan

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Flashback to the 80s: We used to joke that there must have been an employee break room behind the service counters at the Waldorf and Glen Burnie MVAs. The clerks would take their break, and, once inside the private room, regale each other with their "failed 'em..sent 'em packing to go through more hoops" stories, accompanied by high fives all around for the best "fawked that guy good" stories.
 
RoseRed

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Gilligan said:
I'd have to agree with ya there....I've had no issues with my own class "AM" license and the Loveville office. I was very disappointed to find out what my wife went through, thinking "oh great....Loveville is no better then Waldorf now". I think we all dreaded dealing with Waldorf back in the day.
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Waldorf clerk was insisting that I remove my contacts for my vision test. Make that make sense!
 
Kyle

Kyle

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PrchJrkr said:
This is a truly ****ed up situation, that unfortunately is what we get when certain physical characteristics come into play in filling MD's government positions. Mommy Dearest used to say, "at least they aren't on welfare".
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A friend of mine, and former forumite, used to refer to those types of government jobs as “welfare with the desk.”
 
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