My favorite part of The Godfather...

vraiblonde

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...when Michael belts Kay one. :boxing: Throughout the whole movie, I'd like to smack her one, too.
 

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vraiblonde said:
...when Michael belts Kay one. :boxing: Throughout the whole movie, I'd like to smack her one, too.
Are you talking about the scene from GF2, when Kay tells Michael that she aborted their baby so he wouldn't have more sons to continue the Corelone Family?
 

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vraiblonde said:
...when Michael belts Kay one. :boxing: Throughout the whole movie, I'd like to smack her one, too.


GF1: Michael and Enzo the Baker outside the hospital when Tattaglia's buttons show up and drive away when they reach inside their coats. And then Enzo can't light his cigarette 'cause he's shaking too bad.

GF2: When Kay is seeing the kids on the sly and she's standing at the kitchen door. Michael walks up, looks RIGHT THROUGH her and slowly closes the door.

GF3: Any scene that Sofia Coppola is NOT in. Damn Winona Ryder for bailing out on that part. Putting his daughter in that part was the single worst casting decision ever made in Hollywood!!!
 
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Tonio said:
Are you talking about the scene from GF2, when Kay tells Michael that she aborted their baby so he wouldn't have more sons to continue the Corelone Family?
Yes

Kay: There would be no way, Michael... no way you could ever forgive me not with this Sicilian thing that's been going on for 2,000 years...
(Michael slaps Kay in the head)

Oh, you mean that Sicilian thing???

:lol: Get her, Michael!
 

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My favorite scene? I'm tempted to say Sonny and Lucy in the upstairs bedroom. :lol:

Seriously, after Tom Hagen tells Sonny that the Don wants to see him, Tom has either a smile or a grimace on his face. Maybe Tom is thinking, "Jesus, Sonny, can't you keep it in your pants for even one minute?" Or maybe he's just jealous of his foster brother's uh, stature.
 

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When what's his face gets ambushed at the tollway and shot to peices... that one was pretty good.
 

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donbarzini said:
GF1: Michael and Enzo the Baker outside the hospital when Tattaglia's buttons show up and drive away when they reach inside their coats. And then Enzo can't light his cigarette 'cause he's shaking too bad.

GF2: When Kay is seeing the kids on the sly and she's standing at the kitchen door. Michael walks up, looks RIGHT THROUGH her and slowly closes the door.

GF3: Any scene that Sofia Coppola is NOT in. Damn Winona Ryder for bailing out on that part. Putting his daughter in that part was the single worst casting decision ever made in Hollywood!!!
Good choices. The second scene is like the end of GF1, where the door closes on Kay to show that she's literally and figuratively shut out of part of Michael's life.

Sofia wasn't a good actress, but I don't hold that against her. I think the blame rightly falls on her daddy. Not just for putting her in the movie, but also (as movie critic Pauline Kael wrote) for making the audience feel protective of her.

The most philosophical scene in the trilogy is Vito and Michael in the garden:

MICHAEL (reaching over, touching his father): What's the matter? What's bothering you? (then, after the Don doesn't answer) I'll handle it. I told you I can handle it, I'll handle it.

VITO (as he stands): I knew that Santino was going to have to go through all this. And Fredo -- well -- (then, after he sits besides Michael) -- Fredo was -- well -- But I never -- I never wanted this for you. I work my whole life, I don't apologize, to take care of my family. And I refused -- to be a fool -- dancing on the string, held by all those -- bigshots. I don't apologize -- that's my life -- but I thought that -- that when it was your time -- that -- that you would be the one to hold the strings. Senator - Corleone. Governor - Corleone, or something...


MICHAEL: Another pezzonovante...

VITO: Well -- this wasn't enough time, Michael. Wasn't enough time...

MICHAEL: We'll get there, Pop -- we'll get there...
This is a common theme in Puzo's books. The Mafia arose in Sicily as a reaction to a corrupt, oppressive government. And when the Sicilians emigrated to America, they assumed that the government here would be just as corrupt. The Mafiosi rationalized their crimes as necessary to protect their families and establish their descendants in American society. But as the books emphasize, this was a delusion, sort of like Karl Marx's claim that the dictatorship of the proletariat would "wither away." Michael eventually had to sacrifice his family for the sake of the Family.
 

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I like it when Fredo gets whacked, too.

Tonio said:
Sofia wasn't a good actress
Well, she wasn't as bad as Connie and Kay. The scene where Connie runs in to confront Michael about Carlo's killing makes me grind my teeth. No wonder Carlo slapped her around all the time.
 

donbarzini

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vraiblonde said:
I like it when Fredo gets whacked, too.


Well, she wasn't as bad as Connie and Kay. The scene where Connie runs in to confront Michael about Carlo's killing makes me grind my teeth. No wonder Carlo slapped her around all the time.


Same voice when she told Rocky: "You can't winnnnn!" Coppola cast a lot of his family in those movies. Talia as Connie. His grandfather as the orchestra conductor in both 1&2. But Sofia played 2 parts. Mary in #3 and the baby being baptized in #1 when Cuneo, Stracci, Tattaglia and Barzini are eliminated. I'm surprised he didn't put Cage in at least one of them.
 

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donbarzini said:
I'm surprised he didn't put Cage in at least one of them.
He was -- Peggy Sue Got Married. But for most of his career, Cage has tried to avoid anything that might seem nepotistic.
 

donbarzini

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vraiblonde said:
Bad acting must run in that family.

I thought I was the only one! The only movie I even halfway enjoyed him in was as the Lottery winning cop(Don't remember the title). And I think that was only because Rosie was such a hateful ^&&%^!!!
 

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I enjoy a lot of his movies, but I think he is a twerp.

What's the one with him and Sean Connery in the prison trying to foil the renegade SEALs? That was a good one.
 

donbarzini

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The Rock. It was pretty good but I put that at the feet of Connery, David Morse and Ed Harris. They really carried that movie for him. It gave birth to another of my favorite lines: As Connery is escaping in the elevator with the hairdresser: "All I want to know is, did you like the haircut?".
 

Tonio

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Getting back to GF... I think Sofia Coppola's poor acting in GF3 was more obvious, because that movie didn't have a strong ensemble cast.

Puzo's original GF novel has chapters with Johnny Fontaine and Lucy Mancini that Coppola didn't use. The scenes of Fontaine in Hollywood are unintentionally funny, because Puzo portrays the male stars as closeted gays and the female stars as boozy whores. It came across as pandering to the audience, a way of tittilating readers while making them feel morally superior.
 
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