My Local 7-11 has this sign up .......

Novus Collectus

New Member
Great idea!!! Spend $10.00 in gas to save $1.00 on smokes.... :killingme


...and trans, I have no problem if they ticket cell phones (while driving) or double parking fines. It's illegal.

Before VA raised their tax years ago I used to take the subway down to Alexandria and buy a bunch of cartons. I spent seven dollars roundtrip on fares, but I saved $30-$50 each trip.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Grow your own: Tobacco Plant Seeds From Around the World

I don't smoke anymore, but I am beginning to wonder if there is any profit growing the weed and selling it to the addicts on the blackmarket.

.....hmm, I wonder if that hydroponics kit will work for tobacco?

Growing tobacco is not against the law. Selling without a tax stamp is. Going to Virginia to buy is against the law, too. Not enforced, but still illegal.

I don't smoke. I have no problem with others smoking. I have a big problem with government trying to regulate the actions of people through taxes.

The country is being run by 1960's hippies and their proteges.
 
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2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
The tax increase on tobacco products comes with the taxes on computer services. You will now be taxed by your ISP and for consulting services, custom software, and other stuff. Also, it will be against to law to smoke in any bar, restaurant, or club; no non-smoking and smoking areas any more.

Free State. :bs: We now live in the land of the oppressed. If you don't agree with the enviro-whackos, you have no rights.

This state and country are going down hill rapidly. We need to take it back or it is lost.
 

Novus Collectus

New Member
Growing tobacco is not against the law. Selling without a tax stamp is.
I think the stamps are for cigarrettes. Selling bulk is different.
I looked it up earlier, MD a 15% tax on Other Tobacco Products and I assume that it is 15% of what it is sold as and not what the market value is.
One has to be registered as a "wholesaler" and pay any taxes on a monthly basis.

It might be worth it for both me and the smokers to grow my own to sell them in bulk the more I think about it.

Going to Virginia to buy is against the law, too. Not enforced, but still illegal.
I don't think this is true. Buying for personal use is fine and interstate travel is not restricted there, but when one buys some in one state to sell in another without a license it becomes an issue. If one buys so many cigarrettes it is obvious it is not for personal use, then people buying cases of cartons and travelling accross state lines are taking a risk of getting a charge.


I don't smoke. I have no problem with others smoking. I have a big problem with government trying to regulate the actions of people through taxes.

The country is being run by 1960's hippies and their proteges.
There has been a tax on tobacco in this country for centuries.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
I think the stamps are for cigarrettes. Selling bulk is different.
I looked it up earlier, MD a 15% tax on Other Tobacco Products and I assume that it is 15% of what it is sold as and not what the market value is.
One has to be registered as a "wholesaler" and pay any taxes on a monthly basis.

It might be worth it for both me and the smokers to grow my own to sell them in bulk the more I think about it.

I don't think this is true. Buying for personal use is fine and interstate travel is not restricted there, but when one buys some in one state to sell in another without a license it becomes an issue. If one buys so many cigarrettes it is obvious it is not for personal use, then people buying cases of cartons and travelling accross state lines are taking a risk of getting a charge.


There has been a tax on tobacco in this country for centuries.
More then two packs is illegal. Even those passing through the state are limited to only two cartons.
 

oldman

Lobster Land
I've been stocking up on my cigarettes since I heard of this new tax coming into effect. I'm buying as many as I can. I do not have anything against non-smokers and I certainly respect their rights to not be bothered by my smoking but I do have a gripe about having MY rights as a person taken away or so taxed that it hurts. IMO here's what it boils down to, more money for the state to throw away. They say some will go towards treating people afflicted with disorders caused by smoke, well excuse me but I have insurance that will cover MY costs if I become sick from smoking. Why do I have to pay for someone elses illness? Next thing you know you'll only be allowed one toilet flush a day or be taxed for it, and that is a bunch of crap.
 

5857dave

Member
Smoking is bad for you.

If the sign on the side of the pack tells you :USE THIS PRODUCT AS INTENDED AND YOU WILL GET CANCER: doesn't stop you....whats a few more cents...eh?

:cool:

Yeah, ain't it great that the US govment lets us know that we are going to die from something they have the power to make illegal but won't because of all the tax money from the sales, and all the special interest money from the tobacco companies. But, I guess it's just easier for everyone to attack the smokers instead of the manufacturers!

The next time you fuel your vehicle with that gas that costs a few more cents, be sure to have on your respirator:deadhorse
 

HorseLady

Painted Spirit
I've been stocking up on my cigarettes since I heard of this new tax coming into effect. I'm buying as many as I can. I do not have anything against non-smokers and I certainly respect their rights to not be bothered by my smoking but I do have a gripe about having MY rights as a person taken away or so taxed that it hurts. IMO here's what it boils down to, more money for the state to throw away. They say some will go towards treating people afflicted with disorders caused by smoke, well excuse me but I have insurance that will cover MY costs if I become sick from smoking. Why do I have to pay for someone elses illness? Next thing you know you'll only be allowed one toilet flush a day or be taxed for it, and that is a bunch of crap.

Ya know, it wouldn't be so bad if they took the tax money and used it for hospitals strictly for smokers or smoking realted issues, smoking cessation programs for free, education for kids, etc. but the majority (91%) of it goes towards roads, schools, etc. Even the huge settlements won by the states has very little going back to the people who will be affected years from now - it too has been wasted and spent on non-related expenditures.

Don't be surprised when they start putting extra taxes on Twinkies to fund the next baseball or football stadium.....
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
The first tobacco tax (tarrif) centuries ago was to regulate people's actions and curtail their habit.

Link?

I don't think that was the reason. The king knew that people liked to smoke and knew that if he taxed it at a reasonable, they would continue to smoke and he would increase his coffers. Early government had the same reason; a way to get cash.

Now the tax is being increased to a "painful" level in the hopes that people will quit.
 

AndyMarquisLIVE

New Member
Ya know, it wouldn't be so bad if they took the tax money and used it for hospitals strictly for smokers or smoking realted issues, smoking cessation programs for free, education for kids, etc. but the majority (91%) of it goes towards Baltimore roads, Baltimore (as they CUT funding to Charles Co. schools) schools, etc. Even the huge settlements won by the states has very little going back to the people who will be affected years from now - it too has been wasted and spent on non-related expenditures.

Don't be surprised when they start putting extra taxes on Twinkies to fund the next baseball or football stadium.....
:fixed:
 

Novus Collectus

New Member
Link?

I don't think that was the reason. The king knew that people liked to smoke and knew that if he taxed it at a reasonable, they would continue to smoke and he would increase his coffers. Early government had the same reason; a way to get cash.

Now the tax is being increased to a "painful" level in the hopes that people will quit.
Wikipedia....take it for what it is worth.

The importation of tobacco into Europe was not without resistance and controversy, even in the 17th century. King James I of England (James VI of Scotland) wrote a famous polemic titled A Counterblaste to Tobacco in 1604 (published in 1672). In his essay, the king denounced tobacco use as "[a] custome lothsome to the eye, hatefull to the Nose, harmefull to the braine, dangerous to the Lungs, and in the blacke stinking fume thereof, neerest resembling the horrible Stigian smoke of the pit that is bottomelesse." In that same year, an English statute was enacted that placed a heavy protective tariff on every pound of tobacco brought into England.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco

King James wanted to end the "tobacco cultrure" in England and Virginia.
http://books.google.com/books?
id=gWbW2ygWQ0wC&pg=PA79&lpg=PA79&dq=king+james+i+england+tobacco+tarrif&source=web&ots=n97rrgaRlS&sig=JZLPNrFKf2jW9VpZ5KvrKr3zLzU


THis is a better link:
JAMES, by the Grace of God &c. to our right Trustie and right Welbeloved Cousen and Counsellor, Thomas Earle of Dorset our High Treasourer of Englande, Greetinge.

Whereas Tabacco being a Drugge of late Yeres found out, and by Merchants, as well Denizens as Strangers, brought from forreign Partes in small quantitie into this Realm of England and other our Dominions, was used and taken by the better sort both then and nowe onelye as Phisicke to preserve Healthe, and is now at this Day, through evell Custome and the Toleration thereof, excessivelie taken by a nomber of ryotous and disordered Persons of meane and base Condition, whoe, contrarie to the use which Persons of good Callinge and Qualitye make thereof, doe spend most of there tyme in that idle Vanitie, to the evill example and corrupting of others, and also do consume that Wages whiche manye of them gett by theire Labour, and wherewith there Families should be releived, not caring at what Price they buye that Drugge, but rather devisinge how to add to it other Mixture, therebye to make it the more delightfull to their Taste, though so much the more costly to there Purse; by which great and imoderate takinge of Tabacco the Health of a great nomber of our People is impayred, and theire Bodies weakened and made unfit for Labor, the Estates of many mean Persons soe decayed and consumed as they are thereby dryven to unthriftie Shifts onelie to maynteyne their gluttonous exercise thereof, besides that also a great part of the Treasure of our Lande is spent and exhausted by this onely Drugge so licentiously abused by the meaner sorte, all which enormous Inconveniences ensuinge thereuppon We doe well perceave to proceed principally from the great quantitie of Tabacco daily brought into this our Realm of England and Dominions of Wales from the Partes beyond the Seas by Merchauntes and others, which Excesse We conceave might in great part be restrayned by some good Imposition to be laid uppon it, whereby it is likelie that a lesse Quantitie of Tabacco will hereafter be broughte into this our Realm of Englaud, Dominion of Wales and Town of Barwick then in former tymes, and yet sufficient store to serve for their necessarie use who are of the better sort, and have and will use the same with Moderation to preserve their Healthe;

We do therefore will and command you our Treasurer of Englande, and herebye also warrant and aucthorise you to geve order to all Customers Comptrollers Searchers Surveyors, and all other Officers of our Portes, that, from and after the sixe and twentith Day of October next comynge, they shall demaunde and take to our use of all Merchauntes, as well Englishe as Strangers, and of all others whoe shall bringe in anye Tabacco into this Realme, within any Porte Haven or Creek belonging to any theire severall Charges, the Somme of Six Shillinges and eighte Pence uppon everye Pound Waight thereof, over and above the Custome of Twoo Pence uppon the Pounde Waighte usuallye paide heretofore;
http://www.laits.utexas.edu/poltheory/james/blaste/blaste.app.html
 
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toppick08

Guest
Do you suppose the state doubled the toll on the Nice Bridge to help make up income from us folks who go to Virginia for cheaper gas and cigs...or for a new coat of paint..........:sarcasm:
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
That would be...

Smoking is bad for you.

If the sign on the side of the pack tells you :USE THIS PRODUCT AS INTENDED AND YOU WILL GET CANCER: doesn't stop you....whats a few more cents...eh?

:cool:

...false. Most people who use the product as intended do NOT get cancer.
 

chernmax

NOT Politically Correct!!
....... stock up now before the new $ 1.00 per pack tax on Cigs goes into effect Jan 1 .... :yikes:

WTF ?? when did I miss this :jameo:


thats a 20% cost increase ........... :faint:

Mine are Aprox 4.95 per .... ( Thank God I only buy one or 2 packs a week )

time to head into VA to by Smokes

:boxing:


No that's the new Democratic tax happy governor who just boosted the cigarette tax 100%. Along with the new statewide 6% sale tax on everything and new vehicle registration fees, corporate tax fees, and new tech taxes, etc, etc...
 

awpitt

Main Streeter
Which now the republicans have filed a lawsuit. They say that the laws that were made were not constitutional according to marylands constitution... So we shall see...
Actually, the lawsuit focuses on the fact that the State Senate recessed for a period of longer than three days during the special session. The claim is that that's not allowed so anything passed during the special session is void. The siut also claims the MD constitution prohibits finacial issues from being on the ballot. In this case, they claiming that the slots issue is a "financial" issue and is not allowed to be decided by the voters.
 
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