N. Korean soldiers enter S. Korea

itsbob

I bowl overhand
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
South Korea fired off warning shots.

North Korea is expected to test-fire a nuclear weapon tomorrow.

Source: MSNBC TV

:jameo:
North Korea has been doing that since the end of the Korean war.. and they usually wear wet suits when they do.
 

AndyMarquisLIVE

New Member
itsbob said:
North Korea has been doing that since the end of the Korean war.. and they usually wear wet suits when they do.

Nuclear war anybody?

Proposal to Kim Jong Ill: You fire off all your nukes and we'll drop just as many on your puny little land.
 

domeglowing

Prada Princess
itsbob said:
North Korea has been doing that since the end of the Korean war.. and they usually wear wet suits when they do.

They have been doing what since the end of the Korean war, testing Nuclear weapons?
 

Mikeinsmd

New Member
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
Nuclear war anybody?
Proposal to Kim Jong Ill: You fire off all your nukes and we'll drop just as many on your puny little land.
Calm down youngin.... There won't be any nuclear war. Not with these lil ants. :smack:
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
domeglowing said:
They have been doing what since the end of the Korean war, testing Nuclear weapons?
Reference to the warning shots SOuth Korea fired at Five illegals in the DMZ..

Does anyone else remember the Tree Chopping massacre in the DMZ??
 

chernmax

NOT Politically Correct!!
Latest news reports state the 5 illegals where not soldier and appear to have gotten lost. South Korea is requesting a Mexican interpreter to confirm their intention... :whistle:
 

gwa

New Member
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
Nuclear war anybody?

Proposal to Kim Jong Ill: You fire off all your nukes and we'll drop just as many on your puny little land.

Maybe it's time to bring in "Team America: World Police"
 

Penn

Dancing Up A Storm
itsbob said:
Reference to the warning shots SOuth Korea fired at Five illegals in the DMZ..

Does anyone else remember the Tree Chopping massacre in the DMZ??

Yes. It happened a couple of years before I got there. Some Americans were either going to trim or cut down a tree at the foot of a bridge by the river. It was blocking their view from watching military activity along the north side, and as they were out there, doing the deed, a bunch of N. Korean soldiers came out and massacred our troops.

I was visiting the DMZ with some of my buds, when the military tour guide related the story.
 

domeglowing

Prada Princess
itsbob said:
Reference to the warning shots SOuth Korea fired at Five illegals in the DMZ..

Does anyone else remember the Tree Chopping massacre in the DMZ??


No. To be honest up until recently I just did not pay that much attention to north/south korea, sorry I am a dumazz. Can you tell me more?
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
domeglowing said:
No. To be honest up until recently I just did not pay that much attention to north/south korea, sorry I am a dumazz. Can you tell me more?
Korea has been a problem since the war, as the war has not ended yet. We are in the midst of a cease fire since the 50's, nobody surrendered, nobody was victorious. We just decided to stop killing each other temporarily. North Korea sends teams to cross the border fairly regularly to disseminate propaganda and conduct espionage and spying. N Korea has also succeeded in assassinating the S Korean President. About 50 years ago a N korean agent was sent to the South when he was a child.. This agent worked his way to being an assistant or security (I don't remember which) for the President, 30 years after being sent to S Korea he completed his mission.

At this point in time N Korea is a ticking time bomb. They can't feed their own population, peope regularly starve to death there, and the problem we have with the MExican immigration China has with N Korean immigration. N Korea has it so bad, that there are reports of villages resorting to cannibalism to stay alive. While the President keeps his Army well supplied and well fed, the citizens starve to death.

Now this maniac may have Nuclear weapons.. if that doesn't scare you, I don't know what will.

There has been continuos skirmishes and firefights on and around the DMZ since the 50's but generally it was kept quiet in our country. A few years back the DMZ went from our control, and given to the S Koreans, no more firefights or casualties from our side.

I know of two firefights of which I heard from the people that were there IN the fight. One fight we were successful in stopping an incursion, they found 5 N Koreans dressed in wet suits in the kill zone, and 48 hours later EVERYONE that was involved in the firefight was out of the country. I first heard this story from someone that was in the platoon that was on sickcall that day. When he got back, his entire platoon was packed up and GONE, no explanation. A few years later I talked to the Patrol Leader that engaged the N Koreans and got the rest of the story.

The other story wasn't so good for our side other then ONE person getting a Soldiers MEdal for dragging the rest of his squad out of the kill box after a grenade attack from the N Koreans. Everyone lived, but only one got away unscathed.

Both of these incidents occured in the mid to late 80's, thirty years after the
"end of hostilities!"
 
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Penn

Dancing Up A Storm
Is there a diplomatic solution to this debacle?

It would seem the people of North Korea have no say in their government, and given that, I don't see any logical options to deter their eagerness to obtain a viable nuclear weapon that they can, in time, launch towards whoever it is that pizzes them off.

Some other country in the region is going to have to step up and take action.

Who will it be?
 
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Fat Momma

Guest
itsbob said:
Korea has been a problem since the war, as the war has not ended yet. We are in the midst of a cease fire since the 50's, nobody surrendered, nobody was victorious. We just decided to stop killing each other temporarily. North Korea sends teams to cross the border fairly regularly to disseminate propaganda and conduct espionage and spying. N Korea has also succeeded in assassinating the S Korean President. About 50 years ago a N korean agent was sent to the South when he was a child.. This agent worked his way to being an assistant or security (I don't remember which) for the President, 30 years after being sent to S Korea he completed his mission.

At this point in time N Korea is a ticking time bomb. They can't feed their own population, peope regularly starve to death there, and the problem we have with the MExican immigration China has with N Korean immigration. N Korea has it so bad, that there are reports of villages resorting to cannibalism to stay alive. While the President keeps his Army well supplied and well fed, the citizens starve to death.

Now this maniac may have Nuclear weapons.. if that doesn't scare you, I don't know what will.

There has been continuos skirmishes and firefights on and around the DMZ since the 50's but generally it was kept quiet in our country. A few years back the DMZ went from our control, and given to the S Koreans, no more firefights or casualties from our side.

I know of two firefights of which I heard from the people that were there IN the fight. One fight we were successful in stopping an incursion, they found 5 N Koreans dressed in wet suits in the kill zone, and 48 hours later EVERYONE that was involved in the firefight was out of the country. I first heard this story from someone that was in the platoon that was on sickcall that day. When he got back, his entire platoon was packed up and GONE, no explanation. A few years later I talked to the Patrol Leader that engaged the N Koreans and got the rest of the story.

The other story wasn't so good for our side other then ONE person getting a Soldiers MEdal for dragging the rest of his squad out of the kill box after a grenade attack from the N Koreans. Everyone lived, but only one got away unscathed.

Both of these incidents occured in the mid to late 80's, thirty years after the
"end of hostilities!"

Thanks domeglowing for posting that and a big thanks to itsbob for helping her out. It also helped me gain a better picture as well. I tend to stay away from these things in the news but any mention of nuclear weapons spark my ears up.

I do not have a good feeling with this for some reason, I know lots of people say they do not have the ability to send it long range but it still scares the crap out of me.
 
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Fat Momma

Guest
Penn said:
Is there a diplomatic solution to this debacle?

It would seem the people of North Korea have no say in their government, and given that, I don't see any logical options to deter their eagerness to obtain a viable nuclear weapon that they can, in time, launch towards whoever it is that pizzes them off.

Some other country in the region is going to have to step up and take action.

Who will it be?


I do not see the benefit of them having it. It cannot end good for their country.
 

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
Penn said:
Is there a diplomatic solution to this debacle?

It would seem the people of North Korea have no say in their government, and given that, I don't see any logical options to deter their eagerness to obtain a viable nuclear weapon that they can, in time, launch towards whoever it is that pizzes them off.

Some other country in the region is going to have to step up and take action.

Who will it be?

Which is why we should spend more money on deterrents. Then they can have as many as they want and we'll just blow them up.

In my opinion, the ability to make nuclear weapons as a diplomatic tool went away with the cold war. We, the US, do not even need nuclear weapons in a day where we can put overwhelming conventional weapons and personel on the ground within days.
 
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tikipirate

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Bustem' Down said:
We, the US, do not even need nuclear weapons in a day where we can put overwhelming conventional weapons and personel on the ground within days.

I must disagree! Sure, we put ordnance on target and boots on the ground in Afghanistan within days after 9/11, but the damage was already done. Are you saying that the US should respond to a North Korean nuclear strike on the west coast by entering into a costly conventional war?

I was pissed when Bush didn't lob B61s into the caves of Afghanistan to kill OBL. I would be doubly pissed if Seattle/Portland/SF/LA was nuked and the US President didn't turn the air orange from Minuteman and Trident launches.
 

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
tikipirate said:
I must disagree! Sure, we put ordnance on target and boots on the ground in Afghanistan within days after 9/11, but the damage was already done. Are you saying that the US should respond to a North Korean nuclear strike on the west coast by entering into a costly conventional war?

I was pissed when Bush didn't lob B61s into the caves of Afghanistan to kill OBL. I would be doubly pissed if Seattle/Portland/SF/LA was nuked and the US President didn't turn the air orange from Minuteman and Trident launches.

That's why you have deterents, because lets face it, no one is actually going to use the one's we have. their creation was solely a diplomatic tool.
 
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tikipirate

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I hope you are wrong, Bustem! If our country ever comes under Nuke attack, I hope our boats get the signal via ELF or BGL, protocols are adhered to, and...
 

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Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
tikipirate said:
I hope you are wrong, Bustem! If our country ever comes under Nuke attack, I hope our boats get the signal via ELF or BGL, protocols are adhered to, and...
That is one of the coolest things to see in the world. We had 2 subs in our vicinity firing t-hawks in 2003 and I tried to see them, but no one could tell me where they were at. Certainly out sonar techs had no idea.
 
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